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Kings at Jazz, Jan 27 2014 7pm Game Thread

For the love of God, I can't figure out Corbin. This is now the third year in a row where we've had to endure his fondness for playing ST loaner veterans over younger, presumably core players. I honestly can't think of any legit reason why RJ should be getting so much playing time at the expense of Burks, or why Kanter can't get consistent starter-like minutes. If Williams is in the Jazz longer-term plans that's one thing, but no way in hell RJ is. The whole things feels so sysiphusian. Just when we think we've got that veteran boulder at the top of the hill, it rolls back down and we have to do the damned thing all over again. I so want this to end and for the Jazz to get about the business of playing for the future. I just don't see any indication that Corbin's ever going to change, and I'm tired of it, and I've lost my patience. Corbin's a decent man, possibly a decent coach, but he needs to go. One cannot help but get the feeling watching the Suns that Hornacek would have done this differently and better. It's a depressingly frustrating thought.
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Tell us how you really feel
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
I, and I suspect may others, am not mourning the win; I'm frustrated the fact that it was achieved by playing loaner veterans heavy minutes at the expense of what is presumably the future core of the team.
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And that it was such a boring game to watch
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
I'll keep it simple. RJ played 23 minutes tonight, Burks played 21. Two things here: (1) RJ should not play more minutes than Burks, (2) Burks should be playing at least 30 minutes per game on average. At this point, there is simply no valid reason in my mind that Burks should be playing only 21 minutes per game and fewer minutes than RJ. Burks has earned more PT, but for some reason Corbin doggedly refuses to give it to him. I can imagine Burks frustrated wondering just what he has to do to earn more PT--I'm wondering the same thing.

Kanter has been playing very well for the most part as of late. He was a highly efficient 6-8 tonight. This combined with his recently promising trend earned him all of 22 minutes. Even more so than Burks, we absolutely have to know what we have with Kanter and whether he can play with Favors and whether he fits in the puzzle. How his is being used simply will not answer these questions.

As I've said many times, IF the objective this year is to see what we have for the future, Corbin is going about it the wrong way in my opinion. You can disagree. That's fine with me.
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This is the problem jim.
 
JimLes said:
Ok. So vets played 28% of all minutes available tonight, and the youngsters played the other 72%. How much time do you think the vets should get? Ten percent? Zero percent? Play the core 48 minutes a game like Wilt in the olden days, injuries and fatigue be damned?

28% people. 28% is what JL3, Marvin and Richard took up tonight. Three guys. One of whom is the only backup we have at PG. You're all ****ing irrational and blind with some personal vendetta you have. There's no other explanation for it.

Enes, Gordon, Derrick, Alec, and Jeremy are playing 52% more minutes combined than last year. 52%! Plus, you've got Trey playing 31 minutes a game. And it's "a repeat of the previous two years." Really? Really? You're actually going to argue this? You're actually going to argue that this isn't a tremendous improvement over the past year? It's the same thing? It's repeat? It's veterans playing all the minutes, even though they play so much less than last year?

The "vets" logged in 68% of all available minutes last year. They are logging in 26% of all available minutes this year.

Again, it's one thing to argue that the number should be 20% instead of 26% and Gobert should get more time or Jeremy should play more against smaller lineups, but to talk about how this is all "more frustrating than it is exciting" is ludicrous. It actually borders on insane. There's no reason here, you've all lost your damn minds. That's the only explanation I've got.
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This doesn't change the way I feel. I would argue that the number should be less than 15 percent. Of that 15% marvin should get almost all. RJ gave the jazz the finger when he said he was leaving next year. RJ played like 3 mins a game for Golden State. We give him 26 mins plus a game. Good grief. John lucas was thrown out of chicago and yet we still try and find time for him.

Playing the vets 26% of all available minutes is a crime against jazz fans.
 
oldtimer said:
This doesn't change the way I feel. I would argue that the number should be less than 15 percent. Of that 15% marvin should get almost all. RJ gave the jazz the finger when he said he was leaving next year. RJ played like 3 mins a game for Golden State. We give him 26 mins plus a game. Good grief. John lucas was thrown out of chicago and yet we still try and find time for him.

Playing the vets 26% of all available minutes is a crime against jazz fans who care.
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Fixed
 
orangello said:
Fixed
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Agreed
The difference between poster like jim"clue"less and lunatic wolf and the rest of us is that jim and lunatic dont bitch about things cause they dont care..... no matter what lineup corbin trotted out, they would just support it like always, they just dont care.

The rest of us that are bitchin and complaining are just showing that we care more about the team than the coach
 
JimLes said:
Ah, the I'm hating because I care argument. Right up there with I hit because I care.
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I just wish you were one of the fans who cared about the team.
Its too bad
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Sacramento is trying to win, which is why they went and got Rudy Gay. It they are tanking, it's not intentional.
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Not necessarily trying to win this year, and they didn't give up much to get him. Harpring said Gay looked fine before the game and thought he was going to play, but was benched at the last minute. I expect a ton of DNP's for him after the all star break.
 
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