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Kings open to trading 8th pick.

Now if they'd do #23, #35, our first next year top 5 protected, and rights to Tomic, then I'd do it.

Core four plus picks is off limits for me, unless wiggins is guaranteed.
 
White Chocolate said:
5 and 8 in this draft is too much to give up for 2 or 3 honestly.
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I think so too.

The year we traded up to get Deron was the same scenario. There were four projected stars. The Jazz traded up 3 spots and gave up the #6, the #27 and a late first the following season, which was the 30th. Granted, we *&^%$ Portland and they should have received more value.

But no WAY in HELL should they Utah give up two or more high lottery picks to move up 2-3 spots. Kanter's value is a lottery pick. And next year's pick is likely in the 10-12 range, even WITH Wiggins. Parker or Embiid.

It's just ridiculous that people are thinking Jabari, Wiggins and Embiid are automatically the next MJ and Olajuwon.
 
No one's trading a top 3 to whatever we have.

And believing a top 3 would have so much of a big difference with a 5 100% is ignoring history.

And Kanter will only get better.

I wouldn't think about it.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Now if they'd do #23, #35, our first next year top 5 protected, and rights to Tomic, then I'd do it.

Core four plus picks is off limits for me, unless wiggins is guaranteed.
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If they could pull off that kind of trade to end up with #5 and #8, it'd be a steal. Taking two swings at top 10 players in a loaded draft should land the team at least one All-Star down the road, plus having another year of development from the Core5 and a new coach (plus his new philosophy) would make the risk worth it.

Even in the very strong West, I can see a significant improvement in this team if the bench isn't absolute crap. Offer Marvin Williams the MLE, bring Neto over and then see who steps up out of Clark, Harris, Garrett, Murphy, etc. That's a huge upgrade over last year. If both of the lotto picks end up being stars then you're in a position to compete down the road and you build around them.

Not sure who the Kings have that would cause cap issues for them, but I'd look at taking on salary too if it's needed to make the deal. Can't be worse than what they took on last year.
 
White Chocolate said:
5 and 8 in this draft is too much to give up for 2 or 3 honestly.
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I agree, 5 and 8 could get you Smart and Gordon or Exum and Vonleh or Smart and Randle etc. The distance between 1-4 and 5-8 isn't that big. I would be extremely happy if the Jazz had the 5th and 8th pick but I don't really want to give up Kanter yet but I would consider it.
 
Almost no chance if dropping to 5 - almost certainly in the top 3.
Andrew Wiggins
Jabari Parker

Small chance they could slip to 5
Joel Embiid - health
Dante Exum - competition level

Likely to be there at 5 (and worth the pick)
Noah Vonleh
Julius Randle
Aaron Gordon
Marcus Smart

That's eight players (all of whom likely would have gone at least top three in 2013 if they were in that draft.)

Give me any two, plus the Core5 and a new coach. . . I'd be pretty excited about that team moving forward. Would take some of the sting of missing out on the top 3 out of the tank season.
 
Everyone's favorite trade asset (except me and a few others), is Kanter. Even when it doesn't work. Like at all.

This is SAC guys. Who is their one sure-fire piece? Oh yeah, Demarcus Cousins. Now does a frontcourt of Kanter and Cousins make sense? No, they would want Favors, as he is a rim protector, and already inked to a favorable deal. Kings won't be contending next year, so why would they want to pick up Kanter for a year and then have to pay him without seeing much improvement in their team.

As far as players go, Favors, Burke, and Gobert are our only assets on the team, as their contracts are favorable to trades. Nobody wants your unproven player unless they are sure he'll fit well, or he has multiple years on their contract. Alec and Enes don't fit the requirements to fetch their true values, and Hayward can't be traded until we ink him.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Everyone's favorite trade asset (except me and a few others), is Kanter. Even when it doesn't work. Like at all.

This is SAC guys. Who is their one sure-fire piece? Oh yeah, Demarcus Cousins. Now does a frontcourt of Kanter and Cousins make sense? No, they would want Favors, as he is a rim protector, and already inked to a favorable deal. Kings won't be contending next year, so why would they want to pick up Kanter for a year and then have to pay him without seeing much improvement in their team.

As far as players go, Favors, Burke, and Gobert are our only assets on the team, as their contracts are favorable to trades. Nobody wants your unproven player unless they are sure he'll fit well, or he has multiple years on their contract. Alec and Enes don't fit the requirements to fetch their true values, and Hayward can't be traded until we ink him.
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Exactly. Kanter and/or Burks don't have any value. The idea for trading assets is to buy low and sell high. I'd rather have Kanter work with Favors, Malone and Gobert this offseason and see how he does next year - healthy, happy and playing for a new coach. I still have faith in him. I'd rather dangle next year's pick instead of either Kanter or Burks. I don't think we'll get enough back to justify giving up on them yet. Same thing with Burke. Core5 needs a new coach and then to add one or two more pieces to the puzzle from the draft.
 
Kanter is better than whomever we'd get at #8, a 6'11" guy who rebounds, finishes inside and can shoot out to the 3pt line. If he were in this draft, I'm pretty sure he'd be top 7.
 
Here's my long-shot offseason plan (that doesn't involve the 8th pick at all):

Wiggins and Embiid will go #1 and #2. I feel sure of that. Perusing 76ers boards, their fans seem to be split about 50-50 as to whether their team would pick Jabari or Exum. The fans seem to prefer Exum.

Meanwhile, (perusing the Magic boards) Orlando is rumored to prefer Smart to Exum. Would they prefer Smart to Parker? Probably not, but that doubt leads me to conclude there might be wiggle-room in trading up to #4 to assure that the Jazz would get Parker, in this scenario.

So if I'm Dennis Lindsey, and *if* the 76ers do pull off the surprise in drafting Exum at #3, I'm going to get on the phone with Orlando and offer them any player they want, plus the #5 and #23 (because in the end, I think Orlando would take Jabari over Smart and this is what it would take), for the #4 pick. They have the cap space to absorb Favors, and I assume that's what they would ask for. And I would give it to him.

Then I would sign Greg Monroe in free agency to replace Favors. Detroit has a logjam, and is willing to let Monroe walk.

Team looks like:

Burke /
Hayward / Burks
Parker / Evans
Kanter /
Monroe / Gobert

Fully recognizing that this is a very defensively weak team... I think the offense could put us back into the playoff picture, and we'd have to address defense piecemeal in the coming seasons.
 
If you think Smart is better than Burke, you could probably offer Burke to Sacramento and use our cap space to clean up their financial house for the #8 pick and they would jump all over that. There is also a chance you could pick up Exum at 5 then one of Gordon, Saric, or Randall at 8 (probably Gordon as the bigs would be too much for Boston or LA to pass up.) Then you would stash a Euro at 23 or sell it for second rounders. Maybe even give it to Sacramento to seal the deal. We could then re-sign the young guys we want to keep as Sacramento's junk falls off the payroll.
Losing Burke, but possibly coming out with Exum and Gordon would be a win, no? Our D would be spectacular and we could keep Kanter on the floor for extended minutes.
 
Stickler said:
Here's my long-shot offseason plan (that doesn't involve the 8th pick at all):

Wiggins and Embiid will go #1 and #2. I feel sure of that. Perusing 76ers boards, their fans seem to be split about 50-50 as to whether their team would pick Jabari or Exum. The fans seem to prefer Exum.

Meanwhile, (perusing the Magic boards) Orlando is rumored to prefer Smart to Exum. Would they prefer Smart to Parker? Probably not, but that doubt leads me to conclude there might be wiggle-room in trading up to #4 to assure that the Jazz would get Parker, in this scenario.

So if I'm Dennis Lindsey, and *if* the 76ers do pull off the surprise in drafting Exum at #3, I'm going to get on the phone with Orlando and offer them any player they want, plus the #5 and #23 (because in the end, I think Orlando would take Jabari over Smart and this is what it would take), for the #4 pick. They have the cap space to absorb Favors, and I assume that's what they would ask for. And I would give it to him.

Then I would sign Greg Monroe in free agency to replace Favors. Detroit has a logjam, and is willing to let Monroe walk.

Team looks like:

Burke /
Hayward / Burks
Parker / Evans
Kanter /
Monroe / Gobert

Fully recognizing that this is a very defensively weak team... I think the offense could put us back into the playoff picture, and we'd have to address defense piecemeal in the coming seasons.
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How do you address defense piecemeal? You've already committed your payroll to those guys. This isn't football; they have to play both ways.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Now if they'd do #23, #35, our first next year top 5 protected, and rights to Tomic, then I'd do it.

Core four plus picks is off limits for me, unless wiggins is guaranteed.
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Curious why the core 4 are off limits. None of them, NOT one, has shown the qualities of a SUPER star player. They each have some of the qualities but they all have too many flaws to be a game changer consistently. MAYBE Alec can eventually. I dont even know if your core 4 had him in it. But the others are all free to go for a chance at a super star game changer.. We have to get one somehow. None of them look realistically like they will blossom into that. I know us homers want to see what isnt there, but it aint happening.
IF we can keep them and add that game changer, then YES, Im all for that.
I truly think our core are very good and will become even better.
But, again, "very good" doesn't win a ring unless it is led by an alpha male superstar. Which we dont have
 
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