KOC- a swat lake city problem

[m3at]

And then won, like our friend is proposing we do. "win" the championship, you say?!?! Hmmm........next level thinking, friend.

I didn't realize that it was that ****ing easy to put a team together and then win a championship...what a novel ****ing idea. Don't tell the other 29 teams about this new development, the championship is as good as ours next year!!!! /sarcasm

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Director of Player Personnel but let's not let fact get in the way. KOC was responsible for assembling that Sixers team.

He was the Director of Player Personnel from '97-'99. Iverson was drafted in '96. Try again.

 

[Guitaro]

I agree that KOC has been crippled in what he could do before. Larry frustrated me with his rants and blocks. Sloan is great but he is super stubborn and I really didn't like it when he'd wait so long to call timeouts. lol

Bottom line is that KOC is actually a really good GM. I'm actually very intrigued to see what he can do with Ty's full support backing him up and Greg's hands-off approach, for the most part.

 

[Lakers_Slapper]

How many small market teams have won a chip in the last 20 years. I could be wrong but only the Spurs. The NBA isn't set up to allow small market teams to get that far, because they just can't get superstars to sign. Having a team like the Jazz win a chip is like finding a needle in a haystack. Let's look at the Spurs....

The year before they draft Duncan, it seemed like every player worth a damn got injured including their best player David Robinson. The spurs were always a good team just like the the Jazz just never good enough to get over the hump. All of a sudden the injury bug hits just as there is a once in a lifetime player getting ready to enter the draft, then to top it off the spurs win the lottery (needle in the haystack). Then two years later with a late second second round pick they get Ginobili (needle in the haystack). Two years after that the Jazz gift rap Parker for the spurs around the 28th pick (needle in the haystack). It's hard enough to find one needle in a haystack, the damn spurs find three! Not one of those players were signed as free agents all draft picks. Also don't forget, the Spurs were lucky that Duncan doesn't care for the spotlight. Most superstars want it and feel a need to go to big markets (needle in the haystack). When your all world player stays, it makes any other all-star caliber player on your team want to stay.

I just think Lakers Slapper needs to be bitch slapped like the turd he is and flushed. The core of this team is young as he'll and wet behind the ears. Our future is Favors, Hayward, Kanter, and Burks, all 21 and under. KOC has to be commended for what he has done. In my opinion we are a pg away from being great. Everyone needs to be patient this team is 2 or three years from contending for a chip at the very least and may take longer.

The only bitch slapping I've ever been involved in consisted of me, some baby powder, my right hand, and your mother. So what does that make you? Hmmmmmm. KOC lead us to a ring? OK.

 

[Lakers_Slapper]

Well, for starters, KOC had always been the 3rd most powerful voice in terms of personnel, behind Larry H. and Jerry Sloan. For many years, Larry H. REFUSED to exceed the luxury tax level. I heard Larry H. on multiple occasions state that his main goal was to operate the team for a profit. Now I will give him credit for exceeding the tax before he died. He gave the Williams, Boozer, AK, Memo lineup a shot to win. KOC was stopped a couple of times by Larry H. from trading AK. But he did the best he could, even when Sloan backed him into a corner by publicly feuding with and then benching players and seriously comprimising their trade value (Arroyo, Giricek). KOC was also forced into deals when ownership determined payroll HAD to be slashed. Do you think he wanted to give up Maynor just so the team could dump Harpring's cap/tax hit?

Drafting has been the Jazz' achilles heel, but I don't judge them too harshly for missing on picks in the late teens or 20's, It's a crapshoot that late. You're either taking undersized guys who have been productive, drafting extremely raw talents who may develop, or looking at guys who were successful at smaller schools. The only huge misses were Humphries and Snyder. And most draft experts gave Utah an "A" after that draft. Again, though, how many of the picks were KOC's and how many were Sloan's? We heard the rumor that Sloan wanted Williams and KOC wanted Paul. And we see who won that battle. But also give KOC credit for salvaging that draft when the lottery killed us. He somehow fooled Portland into trading down, probably the trade (along with the Oden selection) that cost another great GM his job.

I'm not saying KOC is the best GM in the business. But he's done a helluva job rebuilding the team after Stockton, Malone and Hornacek left. And he's doing a great job building the team post-Williams, AK and Boozer. The trade he did for Deron earned him almost universal praise across the NBA by fellow GM's, owners and sportswriters. As for FA's, it's not like the LeBron's and Kobes are going to hold pressers and announce their desire to come to Utah. KOC operates in a small market, on a tight budget and has still managed to field teams that have been extremely competitive.

By comparison, how long did it take Boston to rebuild after Bird retired? Or Chicago after MJ...or the Lakers after Magic? How is Cleveland doing post-Lebron? How is Detroit doing by hanging on to their "stars" too long?

Out of all those rebuilding teams mentioned, they all won championships with their stars except for Cleveland, so it's a little different. Those teams all won championships. (except for Cleveland) and Boston and Detroit have both won another championship since their glory days. We are not trying to rebuild a championship team we are still trying to build one and KOC doesn't have what it takes.