vslice02
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Correct, fixed in original post.
Korver?
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Right, I remember that his effectiveness dropped in the playoffs a bit when he got sorted out.
Iam not a big fan of players who pad up their stats in the regular season and then get easily sorted out in the playoffs. (Unfortunately Millsap seems to be a bit of the same even if he is a better all around player than Korver)
And plus Korver is a couple of years older now and was never athletic to begin with, but is playing a position that demands athleticism night in and night out in this league.
All that said, I'd still have him for Miles, at maybe the same salary
If Korver was a good defender combined with his shooting abilities he would be a 10 million plus type player.
larryselbows
Banned
First of all, Korver has a great body
of work. He can really stroke it
from the outside. The way he handles balls
in the triple threat is great, but he gives too many reach-arounds
when he gets beat on defense and tries to poke
the ball out. Regardless, he could help Favors pound it hard inside
or Hayward's penetration.
It would be great to have someone who could help with the double-team
that teams throw at our long, muscly, big
guys as they are just throbbing
with talent.
We should try and sign Korver, I also hear he likes fly-fishing.
of work. He can really stroke it
from the outside. The way he handles balls
in the triple threat is great, but he gives too many reach-arounds
when he gets beat on defense and tries to poke
the ball out. Regardless, he could help Favors pound it hard inside
or Hayward's penetration.
It would be great to have someone who could help with the double-team
that teams throw at our long, muscly, big
guys as they are just throbbing
with talent.
We should try and sign Korver, I also hear he likes fly-fishing.
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J
JAZZGASM
Guest
The fact is, Chicago has the option to keep him, so they'll have to let him go first before we can sign him.
candrew
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Correct. But The Bulls will be in luxury tax territory next year and without their best player/starting PG - it's literally a death blow to their season.
Bulls have to shed salary - there really is no way around it. The most obvious place for them to cut back is at SG with Hamilton/Brewer/Korver. My guess is Korver goes.
Stars Fan
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I hear you, and actually grant that you have a valid point. It just doesn't carry the mail for me. Sundiata Gaines for crying out loud didn't shy away from taking the gamer and he had/has no where near the rep that Kyle does, nor does he make Kyle's kind of money. My point was if you are going to have a 3ball specialist, he should not have second thoughts about taking the 3ball when they count. I wonder what $ Gary Neal makes in SA or Matt Bonner for that matter. We are not talking about "the go to guy", we are talking about the second or third option. The guy that lurks around the line, takes the kick out, or bail out pass. The guy whose job it is to be ready when "the man" has to bail on the primary option.
Maybe I am judging Kyle too harshly on that one play, it just stuck in my mind. I would take Korver back for the right $ but I think we need someone else too.
vslice02
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I've never got the sense that Korver consistently shrank from pressure moments or pressure shots. Just last year we saw him hit the game-winning 3pt against the Pacers in Game 1 of their opening round series, and it's easy to overlook his contributions in Utah’s pivotal Game 2 road win over Denver in 2010. With under 90 seconds left and Denver leading 106-105, Korver hits a catch&shoot 3pt from the right wing to put the Jazz up 2 and they never trailed the rest of the game (which was also thanks in large part to Korver stepping in and taking a charge from Chauncey Billups with 30 seconds remaining and the Jazz up 108-107).
Going back to those final seconds of Game 6 against vs. LA in ’08 - you could argue Korver’s decision to pass on the transition 3 and hit a trailing Mehmet Okur for 3 was – in hindsight arguably not the best decision – but at the time made quite a bit of sense when you realize who had the hot hand and who was in the flow of that particular game. Memo was on fire behind the arc (at that point he was 4-5 on three-pointers in the 2nd-half, while Korver was just 1-4 overall and 1-3 from behind the arc). If anything, it demonstrates Korver’s basketball IQ - do you think CJ Miles uses the discretion to find the hot-hand or chucks it up himself in a Chinese fire-drill sequence like that? The Jazz still got two 3pt attempts off in the final 5 seconds so it’s not like Korver’s pass was a backbreaker, and it wasn't like he passed on that shot to kick it to Paul Millsap.
One of the things that gets neglected is he does a relatively decent job staying in front of his man. Also, away from he ball, he stayed with his man. Since when you stay with your man he's less likely to get the ball, you're much less likely to get the praise for D. This is the opposite of Kirilenko, who through bad defense, both on and off the ball, got himself into situations where sometimes he could sometimes recover with a highlight reel block, he stood out as having good defense. People fail to recognize that despite his weaknesses and lack of speed/athleticism, he was our best wing defender at the time, even though Brewer and Kirilenko get lauded as defensive specialists due to their highlight plays.
No, I agree with you, actually. Perhaps my choice of words was poor...
My point wasn't that we can't do better. I would expect that we could. But if we couldn't, for whatever reason, is it really better to have nothing than him?
He's not my first choice, by a long shot, but I don't think of him as completely worthless.
Oh, gotcha .. I just hear so many Jazz fans say things like we could never get so and so .. we could never win a championship, etc. Makes me want to slap'm.