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People get fired unfairly all the time. Maybe LAPD is corrupt, but there no justification whatsoever to kill a former police chief's daughter, her fiance, and cops that have nothing to do with this. I can't believe people are defending his actions. The people commenting on CNN really really hate cops. Its pretty sad.
 
People get fired unfairly all the time. Maybe LAPD is corrupt, but there no justification whatsoever to kill a former police chief's daughter, her fiance, and cops that have nothing to do with this. I can't believe people are defending his actions. The people commenting on CNN really really hate cops. Its pretty sad.

I personally believe the divide between the public and the police force is a result of America's current civil war, also known as the war on drugs. It literally forces tens of millions of people to live in fear of the police even though they are only engaging in voluntary trade. Millions are in prison for what is essentially no different than political prisoners in dictatorships, they disagree with a current policy banning recreational drug use. The war on drugs has been used to almost eliminate the 4th and 8th Amendment when it comes to enforcing a prohibition on an individuals right to posses a substance that they will never use to hurt anyone else by force.

It's a problem. In my opinion it's the biggest problem the U.S. faces. Yet it seems a good chunk of the country feels so strongly about their right to tell others how to live that 1% of our population in prison, police violation of our basic rights, and the police state of our inner-cities is just the price we have to pay to force people to act as we want them to.

Hey, let's argue about gun rights so we can forget about a person's right to their own body and mind. I mean, there are Bill of Rights issues here too, but I guess only some of our constitutional rights are really important.
 
I personally believe the divide between the public and the police force is a result of America's current civil war, also known as the war on drugs. It literally forces tens of millions of people to live in fear of the police even though they are only engaging in voluntary trade. Millions are in prison for what is essentially no different than political prisoners in dictatorships, they disagree with a current policy banning recreational drug use. The war on drugs has been used to almost eliminate the 4th and 8th Amendment when it comes to enforcing a prohibition on an individuals right to posses a substance that they will never use to hurt anyone else by force.

It's a problem. In my opinion it's the biggest problem the U.S. faces. Yet it seems a good chunk of the country feels so strongly about their right to tell others how to live that 1% of our population in prison, police violation of our basic rights, and the police state of our inner-cities is just the price we have to pay to force people to act as we want them to.

Hey, let's argue about gun rights so we can forget about a person's right to their own body and mind. I mean, there are Bill of Rights issues here too, but I guess only some of our constitutional rights are really important.

I take it you just don't understand how important it is for cartels to keep the supply of their goods restricted so their prices can be exorbitant, nor do you understand just how long the drug cartels have been running the world. Well, before we were a nation, we had merchants joining in with the British opium trade. It was a great international corporation called the British Far East Trading Company. First they had agents beating the bushes of Africa to round up some cheap labor, and packed their empty holds for the run to the Americas for sale, where they picked up sugar, rum, cotton, furs and lumber for the run to England, where they provided the raw materials for the sweatshop factories of Liverpool. Then, loaded with cotton cloth products they sailed to India where they undersold local cotton growers and weavers, and with the help of military occupation troops forced the Indian cotton growers to grow opium, instead. In India they loaded up with opium and sailed for China, where with gunboat "diplomacy" they forced the Chinese to allow them to offload their drugs for the supply of the opium dens, and picked up tea and silk. And on back through Singapore to pick up spices and tin perhaps. . . . but everywhere they went, the left cats and drug addicts.

George Bush's ancestors were involved in the opium trade, and many of our largest and most influential banks have through all time facilitated the drug cartels by accepting deposits from them, and furnishing them cover for their business.

The war on Hemp began with the invention of nylon, and the urgent necessity of outlawing competitive rope materials.

But the place where the drug legalization folks lose my sympathy is in not recognizing that the use of drugs and other products of practically no necessary utility and significant negative health impacts, like is the case with alcohol, tobacco, and many pharmaceuticals, is something we can well afford to dispense with. The end of the British Slave Trade was accomplished with a neat slogan "No Sugar For My Tea", and "No Tea, please." and exposing the persons whose wealth was derived from the slave trade.

I agree there is no constitutional authority for the government to regulate the materials we trade or the use we make of them, but take it one step further and refuse to patronize the damned cartels, OK.
 
I take it you just don't understand how important it is for cartels to keep the supply of their goods restricted so their prices can be exorbitant, nor do you understand just how long the drug cartels have been running the world. Well, before we were a nation, we had merchants joining in with the British opium trade. It was a great international corporation called the British Far East Trading Company. First they had agents beating the bushes of Africa to round up some cheap labor, and packed their empty holds for the run to the Americas for sale, where they picked up sugar, rum, cotton, furs and lumber for the run to England, where they provided the raw materials for the sweatshop factories of Liverpool. Then, loaded with cotton cloth products they sailed to India where they undersold local cotton growers and weavers, and with the help of military occupation troops forced the Indian cotton growers to grow opium, instead. In India they loaded up with opium and sailed for China, where with gunboat "diplomacy" they forced the Chinese to allow them to offload their drugs for the supply of the opium dens, and picked up tea and silk. And on back through Singapore to pick up spices and tin perhaps. . . . but everywhere they went, the left cats and drug addicts.

George Bush's ancestors were involved in the opium trade, and many of our largest and most influential banks have through all time facilitated the drug cartels by accepting deposits from them, and furnishing them cover for their business.

The war on Hemp began with the invention of nylon, and the urgent necessity of outlawing competitive rope materials.

But the place where the drug legalization folks lose my sympathy is in not recognizing that the use of drugs and other products of practically no necessary utility and significant negative health impacts, like is the case with alcohol, tobacco, and many pharmaceuticals, is something we can well afford to dispense with. The end of the British Slave Trade was accomplished with a neat slogan "No Sugar For My Tea", and "No Tea, please." and exposing the persons whose wealth was derived from the slave trade.

I agree there is no constitutional authority for the government to regulate the materials we trade or the use we make of them, but take it one step further and refuse to patronize the damned cartels, OK.

As far as I know I'm not supporting any drug cartels.

BTW none of what I said was intended to indicate that I support this guy who's killing cops and anyone who has any connection to cops. I would definitely prefer he be captured alive, but beyond that I don't support him at all.
 
As far as I know I'm not supporting any drug cartels.

BTW none of what I said was intended to indicate that I support this guy who's killing cops and anyone who has any connection to cops. I would definitely prefer he be captured alive, but beyond that I don't support him at all.

Well, rememeber those banks that were "too big to fail"? The ones with their hands deep in the government pocket already? That we gave a trillion dollars to? The ones that generally supply the titular head of the Federal Reserve?

Yep. Those guys are the ones that from the eighteenth century have been owned in large measure by the opium traders and their spawn.

And yes, it was Chase/Morgan interests that formed the alliance with the Mormons, lending to the Church, to lift the LDS out of believing they had a right to practice a strange religion and gave Utah "statehood". That Heber J. Grant worked for and used to preach from the old tabernacle that the NY bankers are "fine folks".

And darn it all, most of our pharmaceuticals and major oil cartels, etc. etc. etc. the robber barons who really haven't changed their stripes no matter how their public relations firms can spin it all. So we're all trapped in the web, and doing business right and left, and just can't process it all. . . . or afford to give a crap sometimes.
 
How the hell have they not found this guy yet?

Because this guy has been trained the same way they have been. He knows what they look for and how to avoid it. He has been trained by both the military and the police.
 
Because this guy has been trained the same way they have been. He knows what they look for and how to avoid it. He has been trained by both the military and the police.

Still, with hundreds if not thousands of people looking for him, it is still really really impressive. I bet he is dead already though, killed himself in a bunker he made in the mountains or something
 
Yep. It's like they're just trying to kill this guy before **** really hits the fan.

That said, when I said rooting earlier, I did not mean rooting for him to kill anyone else. Simply escape, reveal the truth and somehow be vindicated. If of course everythingb he said is true.

His first murders were his ex and her new boyfriend. Your "rooting" for vindication on that? How do you know LAPD is as corrupt as it gets? Because of the one rampart incident in which a hundred different movies were based? This guys manifesto threatens children and spouses. Have you read it? The only "truth" in him has already been revealed.
 
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His first murders were his ex and her new boyfriend. Your "rooting" for vindication on that? How do you know LAPD is as corrupt as it gets? Because of the one rampart incident in which a hundred different movies were based? This guys manifesto threatens children and spouses. Have you read it? The only "truth" in him has already been revealed.

No, vindication on having been very potentially wrongfully terminated because of massive corruption.
 
His first murders were his ex and her new boyfriend. Your "rooting" for vindication on that? How do you know LAPD is as corrupt as it gets? Because of the one rampart incident in which a hundred different movies were based? This guys manifesto threatens children and spouses. Have you read it? The only "truth" in him has already been revealed.

I lived in LA when that Rampart thing went down and let me tell you, it wasn't "one" incident.

It was "one" cop blowing the whistle on hundreds of "incidents" that had been taking place for years. And all the while people had been saying LAPD was corrupt fur years, but the LAPD, of course, denied it at every level.

When Rampart went down the only shocking thing about it was some of those guys actually got busted. The actual corruption was already widely known.

Also, during and after that Rampart incident, it was widely known that the corruption didn't slow down in the LAPD. All it did was give the LAPD the opportunity to act like they had addressed the corruption in the media. The reality was they didn't do anything to address the corruption outside of that one precinct. And even in that one precinct, the only action they took was specific to what that one whistle blower cop was personally involved with. It's not like they did a thorough investigation and found their own corruption in other precincts.

On another note, I didn't know they made any movies about that. I thought it was just a local story that got swept under the rug. Are any of them any good? I'd like to check one out and see how Hollywood told the story.
 
They are apparently using drones to track him down now:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...-police-chief-s-daughter-and-killed-policeman

A senior police source said: “The thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him. On the ground, it’s like looking for a needle in a haystack.”

Asked directly if drones have already been deployed, Riverside Police Chief Sergio Diaz, who is jointly leading the task force, said: “We are using all the tools at our disposal.”

The use of drones was later confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio, who revealed agents have been prepared for Dorner to make a dash for the Mexican border since his rampage began.

He said: “This agency has been at the forefront of domestic use of drones by law enforcement. That’s all I can say at the moment.”

And what will surely be one of the biggest issues in 21st century America officially begins now.
 
On another note, I didn't know they made any movies about that. I thought it was just a local story that got swept under the rug. Are any of them any good? I'd like to check one out and see how Hollywood told the story.

I lived in the SoCal area for 5 years and yeah, LAPD is corrupt.

Regarding movies, try Training Day. The FX series The Shield is pretty good too.
 
Here's a few incidents here Boondock. All fairly recently too.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/lapd-corruption

The LAPD has 9,985 sworn officers. Based on the stories you linked to I would estimate that 10-15 did wrong (allegedly because it does not detail the outcomes of the investigations in the report I read and the Huffington Post is all about sensationalism). Not one of those stories appeared to be racially motivated. Yet Dorner describes in his manifesto that he is motivated by what he believes is racism. So, because of these stories that don't fit what Dorner is describing, you're rooting for him.

Also I didn't get out of those stories that the LAPD is currently rampant with corruption. In the one story while critical of uses of force, surprisingly the Huffington Post says:The efforts, undertaken under a federal court order, have yielded results: The city's crime rate is the lowest in four decades, and police are getting praise from communities, including minorities and gays, that had historically complained about mistreatment.

I guess we just have differing views on this guy.

Edit: I'm not saying that some bad things didn't go down with Rampart on a grand scale. But I have yet to see anything that lends credibility to his allegations, and even if it did he's already lost any ability to state his case by committing out and out homicide repeatedly.
 
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