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Las Vegas Summer League Game Thread: July 11th - Utah Jazz vs. Miami Heat 7:30 PM PST

Thee jazz fan said:
If he needed hip surgery don't u think GS would hold him out of something as unimportant as SL?


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I thought the issue with him during the draft was that he would likely be out 9-12 months because of a hip surgery.. hence teams being too scared to draft him.
 
FT% at UK 73.5%
2pt% at UK 53.6%

Matter? No.

But chicken littles orgasming over "43% FT shooting... waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh", are dumb.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I thought the issue with him during the draft was that he would likely be out 9-12 months because of a hip surgery.. hence teams being too scared to draft him.
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If this were the case no way he'd be playing now. First round investments are too valuable to teams to just let him play in meaningless games if he needs surgery on his hip.


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Dr. Jones said:
FT% at UK 73.5%
2pt% at UK 53.6%

Matter? No.

But chicken littles orgasming over "43% FT shooting... waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh", are dumb.
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I just remember seeing his stats at Kentucky being like 37% from 10-18 feet and some horrible number (13%?, 17%?) From three.
Must have had alot of dunks and layups to bring that 2pt percentage up to 53% I guess
 
fishonjazz said:
I just remember seeing his stats at Kentucky being like 37% from 10-18 feet and some horrible number (13%?, 17%?) From three.
Must have had alot of sucks and layups to bring that 2pt percentage up to 53% I guess
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Dude he shot 48% on pull-up midrange jumpers.
 
Cy said:
Dude he shot 48% on pull-up midrange jumpers.
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Ok.

Doesn't change his three point percentage or his percentage from 10-18 feet though imo
 
Cy said:
Can you show these made up stats? You are probably thinking of his catch and shoot % from 10-18 feet,.
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No I can't show them. A different poster posted them. (I think it was in the draft thread)
Maybe someone knows how to look up those stats of his percentage from three point line and from 10-18 feet.
I don't
 
Look. When I was asked about Lyles when he was drafted I gave a fairly exhaustive report. Part of that report included stating I wasn't crazy about the pick.
Having said that, again, if he were 6'10(+), had shot a high % from 3, and shown great dexterity with handles and passing, etc, would he be going 1, 2.. 4???
He went #12. Because of upside.
 
Cy said:
Can you show these made up stats? You are probably thinking of his catch and shoot % from 10-18 feet,.
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From a deseret news article

Lyles has range out to the 3-point line but only hit 4 out of 29 during his freshman season, a terrible 14 percent.

Lyles also has a nice midrange game, shooting 37 percent from 2-point range. But playing out of position as a small forward at Kentucky might have hurt that, forcing him to shoot more long twos. Jonathan Givony of Draft Express said, “He was somewhat of a mixed bag at Kentucky in this area only converting … 32/87 jumpers (37 percent) overall according to Synergy.


He finished 50% of his field goal attempts in the post according to Synergy Sports Technology, and drew a free throw on 25% of his possessions on top of that.” These are nice stats that show he has the ability to make defenses pay for going small against him.

Defense, the fourth skill a playmaking 4 needs, is Lyles’ biggest weakness. He isn’t an elite athlete and lacks the lateral quickness to be a lockdown defender but does have good length. Lyles plays below the basket and won’t be known for his shot blocking. One good thing that came from playing out of position in college was he was forced to play against smaller and faster players. He had to learn how to stay in front of them. Being only 19, Lyles needs to continue to add strength, which will help him guard power forwards in the NBA. Givony also said, “On the interior, Lyles is far from perfect as well, as he has a tendency to give up deep post-position and shows average toughness fighting with stronger players inside the paint. Since he's unlikely to be a rim-protector due to his lack of lift, and doesn't sport great lateral quickness, he'll have to show better effort, fundamentals and awareness here than he has over the course of his career to not be a negative on this side of the floor.”

Lyles is not a sexy name or someone who is projected to have a ton of upside.

Right now, Lyles is more potential and promise than production, but his being hidden at Kentucky will make some NBA team very happy. They are getting a guy who would have been the best player on most Top 25 teams this past season, and he turns just 20 in November.” Lyles could be this draft’s diamond in the rough. He fits in with what Jazz coach Quinn Snyder wants to do — play with the pass. His strengths can complement Rudy Gobert or Derek Favors.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Look. When I was asked about Lyles when he was drafted I gave a fairly exhaustive report. Part of that report included stating I wasn't crazy about the pick.
Having said that, again, if he were 6'10(+), had shot a high % from 3, and shown great dexterity with handles and passing, etc, would he be going 1, 2.. 4???
He went #12. Because of upside.
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1)He went at 12 because we picked him at 12.(had to say this, without it I don't have a list)

2)I feel like this was a culture pick. I think there was guys with more upside still on the board.
 
fishonjazz said:
From a deseret news article

Lyles has range out to the 3-point line but only hit 4 out of 29 during his freshman season, a terrible 14 percent.

Lyles also has a nice midrange game, shooting 37 percent from 2-point range. But playing out of position as a small forward at Kentucky might have hurt that, forcing him to shoot more long twos. Jonathan Givony of Draft Express said, “He was somewhat of a mixed bag at Kentucky in this area only converting … 32/87 jumpers (37 percent) overall according to Synergy.
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These numbers are incorrect.
He shot 13% from 3.
53.6% from 2. (rarely dunks)
 
Dr. Jones said:
These numbers are incorrect.
He shot 13% from 3.
53.6% from 2. (rarely dunks)
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I think the 37% from 2 was probably speaking about his outside 2 pointers.

I added more to my post where the article talked about his post game (50%) and his defense.
Maybe the 50% in the post, plus dunks and layups bring the overall percentage on 2 pointers up to 53.6
 
♪alt13 said:
1)He went at 12 because we picked him at 12.(had to say this, without it I don't have a list)

2)I feel like this was a culture pick. I think there was guys with more upside still on the board.
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Good post.
Maybe if we don't take him at 12 he goes 13..... Or 20. We have no way to know
Maybe dekker, portis, looney, oubre and others go before him. Maybe not
 
ONE LOVE said:
I thought the issue with him during the draft was that he would likely be out 9-12 months because of a hip surgery.. hence teams being too scared to draft him.
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That's what I thought; that he'd be having surgery and would be out. Perhaps he got a second opinion that he could heal without surgery. Maybe he's playing SL, then will shut it down until training camp.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
If this were the case no way he'd be playing now. First round investments are too valuable to teams to just let him play in meaningless games if he needs surgery on his hip.


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Um yes this is the case. There were thoughts his hip would need surgery just use google. I not even give you a link but no reason try and make one love feel silly. This was everywhere! Maybe now he doesn't, but there was talk around draft.
 
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