DutchJazzer
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not to forget also get a 3d printer! for some home made bumpstocks
Las Vegas: Worst Mass Shooting in US History
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not to forget also get a 3d printer! for some home made bumpstocks
Right, got it. However, when a dozen or more independent sources report the same thing while citing different witnesses, it becomes a reasonable to add that info to the investigation. There's more to this story than the media are reporting, and it's strange that the media are so willing to make conclusions without doing their own thorough investigation. It's an important story after all.
Archie Moses
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Anyone else think it's weird that there is no video of Paddock from the hotel that's been released?
DutchJazzer
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everything is weird.
i think he is a radical leftist. shooting at a trump supporting country music festival. after all jaseon aldean is pro trump. who has been radicalized by left wing media!
or
he is a ex fbi/cia agent who worked for obama type fast and furious gun running program! and went crazy and rogue,.
the establisment is afraid of the blowback when the truth comes out
DutchJazzer
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also the pro gun side has been compromising for decades. yes these shootings happen more often and get worse!
prove that this will happen? people wnat bumpstocks banned. but we all know baning bumpstops are just optic and wont prevent or stop ANYTHING! so their will be more shootings. then they will want another thing banned, which will also not stop another one from happening.
NO COMPROMISE **** ALL YOU GUN CONTROLL ADVOCTES you are on the wrong side of history proof in point castro, mao, stalin, castro, chavez, hitler, obama
all of them historical evil douchebags!
prove that this will happen? people wnat bumpstocks banned. but we all know baning bumpstops are just optic and wont prevent or stop ANYTHING! so their will be more shootings. then they will want another thing banned, which will also not stop another one from happening.
NO COMPROMISE **** ALL YOU GUN CONTROLL ADVOCTES you are on the wrong side of history proof in point castro, mao, stalin, castro, chavez, hitler, obama
all of them historical evil douchebags!
The Thriller
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Man, lots of dumb posts on this page. So Bad. so I'mguessing by all The dumb posts that Alex Jones claimed today that it's a gubbamint cover Up
Red
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Yes indeed. A former Trump campaign official has a source in the WH that told that unnamed campaign official that the killer made a tape for ISIS, which the authorities found and have, but are not divulging for fear of triggering other ISIS cells in the United States. That's actually a mild claim for Jones, and Jones says "not saying it's true", but, you know, I'm Alex Jones and this is what I do...
Cappy_Smurf
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The fact that you think random, baseless comments from some kid in his mom's basement qualifies as a worthwhile theory that needs to be discussed is ****ing hilarious.
The fake news people really like to complain about the media, but are more than happy to spread baseless rumors when it falls into line with their own personal views.
I'll make you a deal, don't behave like a dumbass, and I won't call you out on it.
also the pro gun side has been compromising for decades. yes these shootings happen more often and get worse!
prove that this will happen? people wnat bumpstocks banned. but we all know baning bumpstops are just optic and wont prevent or stop ANYTHING! so their will be more shootings. then they will want another thing banned, which will also not stop another one from happening.
NO COMPROMISE **** ALL YOU GUN CONTROLL ADVOCTES you are on the wrong side of history proof in point castro, mao, stalin, castro, chavez, hitler, obama
all of them historical evil douchebags!
Dutch here's what's gone happen in America moving forward. The dems are gonna institute freedom limits while they are in power an the republicans are gonna repeal them or let them expire when there in power. Politics is gonna be like a fish floppin round on tha bank. Back an forth back an forth. Rockaby baby.
Cappy_Smurf
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Do yourself a favor, and go watch some video of the incident before commenting anymore. Might wanna read through this thread as well, as there's lots of info you don't seem aware of. I posted a video earlier of when the shots first started. We don't need to speculate on reports in this regard.
The shooter was using a modification called a bump fire stock. It allows a semi-auto to fire the same way as a full auto. The shooter had 12 weapons equipped with bump fire stocks in his hotel room, most likely to avoid the issue of barrels overheating, which happens when these guns are fired as full auto.
There are tons of videos on youtube demonstrating bump fire stocks. In fact, I'll make it easy. This is a semi-auto with a bump fire stock below. You'll notice the gun slides back and forth while the stock remains still. It does this because it's designed to use the recoil to fire automatically. The trigger has to be pulled each time to fire, so it is a legal weapon.
[video=youtube_share;0B7tzaYgp5g]https://youtu.be/0B7tzaYgp5g
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Cappy_Smurf
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Well, you've already speculated on something that there's plenty of info on, including video evidence, so maybe you just haven't really looked into it yourself, because you're busy listening to the wrong people.
I've watched every video I can find of the incident, and there is zero evidence there were multiple shooters. In fact, if you want to talk about reports, there are many people who never believed it was gun shots and that it was only fireworks. Of course, we have dead and wounded people that kinda prove those reports to be unreliable.
Edit: I've heard a few recordings in which you can hear an echo, so I can see why some people are confusing it with multiple shooters. It's definitely an echo off of the buildings, though.
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Cappy_Smurf
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Here's one more video where the guy actually plays the audio from the Vegas shooting and explains why he's sure it was a bump fire. A full auto has a smooth rhythm to it that you can't get with a bump fire. A bump fire will be up and down and inconsistent with it's rate of fire.
[video=youtube_share;grR-UT9jEQ8]https://youtu.be/grR-UT9jEQ8
[video=youtube_share;grR-UT9jEQ8]https://youtu.be/grR-UT9jEQ8
Archie Moses
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So I'm a dumbass because I posted things that were blowing up the internet the morning after the shooting, even though I said I had no idea if it were true or not? Yeah, got you. Sorry to fail your standards and sorry for sharing what I was reading. I'll ask you for permission next time.
People were busting out the conspiracy theories minutes after the news broke. Some people want every major event to be more mysterious than it is. They want to solve a puzzle that isn't there. They want to be the clever one that sees what no one else sees.
They want it so bad they just go ahead and make it up, build their fantasy, crawl inside it and live there.
None of the conspiracy BS I've seen is even sort of convincing.
It is sad that people want so bad for reality to not exist. It is sad that there are so many people with this mental illness all around us.
They want it so bad they just go ahead and make it up, build their fantasy, crawl inside it and live there.
None of the conspiracy BS I've seen is even sort of convincing.
It is sad that people want so bad for reality to not exist. It is sad that there are so many people with this mental illness all around us.
lauriandres
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Regarding the videos with the bump fire stock:
1. Does the state or federal law allow you to test your weapons on areas belonging to government or can you shoot only on the private property?
2. Is it against the law to leave the empty shells/cases in the nature?
1. Does the state or federal law allow you to test your weapons on areas belonging to government or can you shoot only on the private property?
2. Is it against the law to leave the empty shells/cases in the nature?
Laws regarding where you can shoot vary by state, county, city. But generally you have to be so far away from inhabited dwellings and so forth. Much of open land in rural areas belongs to the federal government. If it's illegal to shoot there I'm not sure, but there's no one around with any interest in enforcing those rules if they exist.
There are a few places outside SLC that are hot spots for shooting. They are jacked up with all the junk people bring out to shoot and then leave there. Shell casings all over the place, old tube TVs, glass bottles, phone books. They have shut some places down due to all the garbage. Not to mention how many wildfires we've had as a result of recreational shooting.
It's pretty wide open. Plus there are some awesome indoor and outdoor ranges in the area. The North Springs Shooting Range has an old west themed town that is a really cool place to shoot.
DutchJazzer
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i wiated 4 days for a motive to come out!
dems build a stage on the death and wounded minutes after it happened to repeal the 2nd amendment!
on the right certain indviduals started their conspiracy theories mintues after it happened
i waited for the motive which ussually is found within a day!
but suddenly this motive takes 5 days and counting!
DutchJazzer
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england banned guns, as a compromise police also gave up guns and walked the street without guns.
but now, this is london:
LAWLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeha go ahead ban guns
but now, this is london:
LAWLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeha go ahead ban guns
Red
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The fact is this mass shooting stands out precisely because authorities, such as the FBI, have not been able to determine the motive. With most mass shootings, it just usually does not take long before we know something about the shooter that serves as a clue as to his mindset, his worldview, his gripes, his affiliations, etc. And it troubles people when all of that is missing.
Conspiracy theories will always rush in to fill a vacumn. In the absence of an explanation that provides an answer to the question "why?", an answer to the question "did he have help?", and answers to the questions was he anti-this or anti-that, speculation runs rampant. I have seen conspiracy mongering suggesting he left a pro-ISIS tape; I have seen conspiracy mongering that he was pro-Antifa. So there are always some who will try to link guys like this to whatever end of the political spectrum they wish to link to evil deeds, they wish to link to political enemies/ideologies.
Others want to believe simply taking Valium can trigger violence. Well, I guess it can, but this seems to have been in the planning for quite awhile, and not just a paradoxical reaction to a drug. Did he scout out an event in Chicago? Fenway Park? And if so, why? It always comes back to why? It's only natural to want answers to these questions, and it's bound to be unsettling when no answers are forthcoming.
I'd like to hope we'll get some answers some day, but right now, it's not just the worse mass murder in modern American history. It's also the most baffling mass murder in our history. And the longer that's the case, the more growth we'll probably see in the belief that somebody is hiding the truth. Not for nothing, but we are living in the age of conspiracy theories.
Conspiracy theories will always rush in to fill a vacumn. In the absence of an explanation that provides an answer to the question "why?", an answer to the question "did he have help?", and answers to the questions was he anti-this or anti-that, speculation runs rampant. I have seen conspiracy mongering suggesting he left a pro-ISIS tape; I have seen conspiracy mongering that he was pro-Antifa. So there are always some who will try to link guys like this to whatever end of the political spectrum they wish to link to evil deeds, they wish to link to political enemies/ideologies.
Others want to believe simply taking Valium can trigger violence. Well, I guess it can, but this seems to have been in the planning for quite awhile, and not just a paradoxical reaction to a drug. Did he scout out an event in Chicago? Fenway Park? And if so, why? It always comes back to why? It's only natural to want answers to these questions, and it's bound to be unsettling when no answers are forthcoming.
I'd like to hope we'll get some answers some day, but right now, it's not just the worse mass murder in modern American history. It's also the most baffling mass murder in our history. And the longer that's the case, the more growth we'll probably see in the belief that somebody is hiding the truth. Not for nothing, but we are living in the age of conspiracy theories.