Las Vegas: Worst Mass Shooting in US History

[Cappy_Smurf]

Ok, so I'm going to backpedal a bit on what I said earlier about nothing to suggest more than 1 shooter. I'm still convinced there wasn't, but on some of the cell phone videos, you can hear an echo that's makes it seem as if there is more than one shooter.

I think the conspiracy theories are all wrong, but I can understand somebody listening to certain audio and confusing it for multiple weapons firing. If you examine long stretches of the incident and multiple recordings, it isn't hard to tell there is only one shooter.


Also, in that video Red posted, you'll notice a lot of people walking and acting as if they didn't believe they were in danger, despite police yelling at them to run. The reason for this is that they can hear the shots in the distance, and many people did not just did not believe they were within distance of being shot. Suppressors would have made it sound a lot further away and would have added to the number of people not taking the situation seriously.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

People were busting out the conspiracy theories minutes after the news broke. Some people want every major event to be more mysterious than it is. They want to solve a puzzle that isn't there. They want to be the clever one that sees what no one else sees.

They want it so bad they just go ahead and make it up, build their fantasy, crawl inside it and live there.

None of the conspiracy BS I've seen is even sort of convincing.

It is sad that people want so bad for reality to not exist. It is sad that there are so many people with this mental illness all around us.

Wow. Who are these sorry people you've described?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Apologies if I don't take as gospel the insights of someone named CappySmurf on a sports messageboard related to matters of mass shootings, false flags and politicized gun control.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Apologies if I don't take as gospel the insights of someone named CappySmurf on a sports messageboard related to matters of mass shootings, false flags and politicized gun control.

domnt worry about that nazi cappy!

he beleives in punishing people who did nothing wrong.
so he wants to take the guns away from people who did nothing wrong.
he want women and families to be unprotected in flyover country. where it is different than in cities.

he wwants the govenrment to have power over you!


next thing he will tell us after he took all the guns, is for the people to get on trains to special places!


gun control leads to nazi germany and other left wing ****holes

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Apologies if I don't take as gospel the insights of someone named CappySmurf on a sports messageboard related to matters of mass shootings, false flags and politicized gun control.

Nor do I expect you to, as there is plenty of evidence on which to form your own opinion. Which is why I try to post stuff like videos supporting why I believe what I believe,

Sorry, but when you're talking conspiracy theories and saying there are these reports of automatic gun fire being covered up, why are you talking about reports when we can hear for ourselves the rate of fire on multiple recordings? Automatic equivalent fire isn't being covered up, it's being widely reported and the NRA has already come out in favor of banning/regulating the modification that allowed the shooter to fire automatically.

Could it be that you haven't made an honest attempt to seek the truth for yourself and instead spend your time listening to talk shows telling you not to trust the media? The really funny thing is that you mentioned people on youtube making claims about automatic fire, when youtube is full of videos where you can see the incident for yourself and hear the rate of fire.

Anyway, I apologize if I interrupted your brain waves by penetrating the shell of your tin foil hat with liberal media videos of the incident recorded by those people who were actually there and had no idea they were working for the liberal media.

<backs out slowly to the X-files theme song>

 

[Boris]

 

[LogGrad98]

Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually. In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens), and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).

Drinking too much can harm your health. Excessive alcohol use led to approximately 88,000 deaths and 2.5 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) each year in the United States from 2006 – 2010, shortening the lives of those who died by an average of 30 years.Jul 25, 2016

Comparison of the affects of misuse of 2 non-necessary items in American society. Just food for thought.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

But, but, everyone knows the media is liberal and liberals want to take our guns away, just like Obama did. Why would they intentionally not report gun violence when doing so would support their liberal agenda?

Is it because aliens are really running everything and they are the ones responsible for killing Kennedy for sleeping with their girlfriend, Marilyn Monroe? Or maybe because Elvis is still alive and he's the one who helped Jimmy Hoffa cover up the faked moon landing.

Really makes you think.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Comparison of the affects of misuse of 2 non-necessary items in American society. Just food for thought.

Interesting note on top of that. According to a new study:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/22/study-guns-owners-violence/90858752/

3% of Americans own half of the guns privately owned.
Only 22% of Americans own guns. So that means the majority 78% do not own a gun.
"Between 300,000 and 600,000 guns are stolen each year."
No surprise but "Gun owners tend to be white, male, conservative, and live in rural areas."

For Comparison to alcohol:
https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-facts-and-statistics
"86.4 percent of people ages 18 or older reported that they drank alcohol at some point in their lifetime; 70.1 percent reported that they drank in the past year."

 

[Boris]

Interesting note on top of that. According to a new study:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/22/study-guns-owners-violence/90858752/

3% of Americans own half of the guns privately owned.
Only 22% of Americans own guns. So that means the majority 78% do not own a gun.
"Between 300,000 and 600,000 guns are stolen each year."
No surprise but "Gun owners tend to be white, male, conservative, and live in rural areas."

For Comparison to alcohol:
https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-facts-and-statistics
"86.4 percent of people ages 18 or older reported that they drank alcohol at some point in their lifetime; 70.1 percent reported that they drank in the past year."

Why are you makin a case for prohibition?

 

[DutchJazzer]

all these gun control idiots. you do know criminals ignore laws right?


or do you think laws are magical and criminals abide by them!?

 

[Boris]

But, but, everyone knows the media is liberal and liberals want to take our guns away, just like Obama did. Why would they intentionally not report gun violence when doing so would support their liberal agenda?

Is it because aliens are really running everything and they are the ones responsible for killing Kennedy for sleeping with their girlfriend, Marilyn Monroe? Or maybe because Elvis is still alive and he's the one who helped Jimmy Hoffa cover up the faked moon landing.

Really makes you think.

Are resident thought suppression soldier. Good job young man you are bein considered for promotion.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Why are you makin a case for prohibition?

Because people like you shouldn't be allowed to drink obvi.

 

[BTP]

Comparison of the affects of misuse of 2 non-necessary items in American society. Just food for thought.

For me the big difference in those scenarios are two sided: While a typical alcoholic usually kills himself by drinking, a gun can be directed at others. I do not know how many of those listed in your quote are intended suicides, but it's a big deal for me. Liberty means you have the right to decide what happens with yourself. Pointing guns at others who may have different plans for themselves is a big no-no for me. I'll concur that sometimes alcoholics are also violent towards others, somtimes even to an extent where someone else dies as a result, but I'd wager that this happens way less frequent than gun violence towards others.
If you are angry and lack coping mechanisms or self-awareness, having a gun at your disposal can quickly have ugly consequences. When you're drunk and develop anger and don't have a gun available it's the same ****ing procedure to find yourself a less unfair weapon.
Ppl will find weapons if they want to find them, having guns around you makes it easy to make decisions that someone might regret.
This doesn't mean that alcohol in general is less of a threat, it just means when you look at short term decisions I see a difference, long term alcohol is obviously more fatal.

 

[DutchJazzer]

For me the big difference in those scenarios are two sided: While a typical alcoholic usually kills himself by drinking, a gun can be directed at others. I do not know how many of those listed in your quote are intended suicides, but it's a big deal for me. Liberty means you have the right to decide what happens with yourself. Pointing guns at others who may have different plans for themselves is a big no-no for me. I'll concur that sometimes alcoholics are also violent towards others, somtimes even to an extent where someone else dies as a result, but I'd wager that this happens way less frequent than gun violence towards others.
If you are angry and lack coping mechanisms or self-awareness, having a gun at your disposal can quickly have ugly consequences. When you're drunk and develop anger and don't have a gun available it's the same ****ing procedure to find yourself a less unfair weapon.
Ppl will find weapons if they want to find them, having guns around you makes it easy to make decisions that someone might regret.
This doesn't mean that alcohol in general is less of a threat, it just means when you look at short term decisions I see a difference, long term alcohol is obviously more fatal.

liberty ,mean i can have a gun! as i can use it to protect my liberty.

 

[Ron Mexico]

liberty ,mean i can have a gun! as i can use it to protect my liberty.

My liberty means I can have a tank to protect myself and my family.

Truthfully I'm not a wiener like you I can protect myself without a gun. I don't need a weapon.

Unless they have a crazy nice knife, then I need a bigger knife or better a gun, but then they will get a gun. So i need a fully auto gun or better yet a grenade. But also what if they have a bomb? Maybe I need landmines in my yard to protect myself. Or what if North Korea doesn't like me???!!! I guess I need nukes to protect myself and my family.

Nah, I'm no snowflake like Dutch, I can protect myself with my hands and maybe duct tape. I'll MacGyver my protection. Or use the gun I own.

 

[LogGrad98]

For me the big difference in those scenarios are two sided: While a typical alcoholic usually kills himself by drinking, a gun can be directed at others. I do not know how many of those listed in your quote are intended suicides, but it's a big deal for me. Liberty means you have the right to decide what happens with yourself. Pointing guns at others who may have different plans for themselves is a big no-no for me. I'll concur that sometimes alcoholics are also violent towards others, somtimes even to an extent where someone else dies as a result, but I'd wager that this happens way less frequent than gun violence towards others.
If you are angry and lack coping mechanisms or self-awareness, having a gun at your disposal can quickly have ugly consequences. When you're drunk and develop anger and don't have a gun available it's the same ****ing procedure to find yourself a less unfair weapon.
Ppl will find weapons if they want to find them, having guns around you makes it easy to make decisions that someone might regret.
This doesn't mean that alcohol in general is less of a threat, it just means when you look at short term decisions I see a difference, long term alcohol is obviously more fatal.

The 88k also accounts for deaths due to drunk driving. They did not break that out in the statistic. It also did not account for people injured while using alcohol or injuring others, which is not insignificant.

 

[LogGrad98]

For me the big difference in those scenarios are two sided: While a typical alcoholic usually kills himself by drinking, a gun can be directed at others. I do not know how many of those listed in your quote are intended suicides, but it's a big deal for me. Liberty means you have the right to decide what happens with yourself. Pointing guns at others who may have different plans for themselves is a big no-no for me. I'll concur that sometimes alcoholics are also violent towards others, somtimes even to an extent where someone else dies as a result, but I'd wager that this happens way less frequent than gun violence towards others.
If you are angry and lack coping mechanisms or self-awareness, having a gun at your disposal can quickly have ugly consequences. When you're drunk and develop anger and don't have a gun available it's the same ****ing procedure to find yourself a less unfair weapon.
Ppl will find weapons if they want to find them, having guns around you makes it easy to make decisions that someone might regret.
This doesn't mean that alcohol in general is less of a threat, it just means when you look at short term decisions I see a difference, long term alcohol is obviously more fatal.

The 88k also accounts for deaths due to drunk driving. They did not break that out in the statistic. It also did not account for people injured while using alcohol or injuring others, which is not insignificant.

Here we go:

Every day, 28 people die as a result of drunk driving crashes on average. In 2010, 10,228 people died in drunk driving crashes – one every 52 minutes – and 345,000 were injured. In 2010, people killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes accounted for nearly one-third (31%) of all traffic-related deaths.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Here we go:

We should definitely ban drunk driving.

We should also ban speeding.

We should also ban texting and driving since "Texting while driving is 6x more likely to cause an accident than driving drunk."

 

[DutchJazzer]

My liberty means I can have a tank to protect myself and my family.

Truthfully I'm not a wiener like you I can protect myself without a gun. I don't need a weapon.

Unless they have a crazy nice knife, then I need a bigger knife or better a gun, but then they will get a gun. So i need a fully auto gun or better yet a grenade. But also what if they have a bomb? Maybe I need landmines in my yard to protect myself. Or what if North Korea doesn't like me???!!! I guess I need nukes to protect myself and my family.

Nah, I'm no snowflake like Dutch, I can protect myself with my hands and maybe duct tape. I'll MacGyver my protection. Or use the gun I own.

yes you can have anything. as long as you dont use it to take anoher guys liberty!