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LDS Church fined for contributions to Prop 8!! HA!
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Stickler
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The Thriller said:
Um, no. No it wasn't. It was rather outrageously pulled the night before it was scheduled to open by one group of theaters. Larry H. Miller. Every other local theater -- the Centuries, Cinemarks, etc. (at the time they were two different things) -- played the movie as normal. That's when I vowed to never spend another dime at Larry H. Miller theaters, so I remember the situation quite clearly. The CEO of Cinemark ended up in a small controversy when it was revealed that he had donated several thousand dollars (I forget how much) to prop 8.... but.... that doesn't quite hold the same weight, on the outrage meter, of the cowardice and backwards thinking that Larry H. displayed on that night.
I only point this out because Utah should not be tarred with the acts of cowards. There are good people in Utah; it deserves a better reputation than it gets.
The film pulled in $42k its first weekend. Given it was only on 16 screens, that's not horrible.
https://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=8mormonproposition.htm
https://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=8mormonproposition.htm
Not at all. The film did better on a per-screen basis this weekend than, for example, Get Him to the Greek, the most recent Shrek film, Prince of Persia, Jonah Hex, Killers, Iron Man 2, Marmaduke, Sex in the City 2, Robin Hood, etc etc.
Judged on the standards of a documentary it did pretty well. It may actually expand the number of screens it is on, and cities it is shown in, based upon that showing.
Who knows what the figure will be once On-Demand numbers are factored in? I'd guess that would at least 25% to the take.
Stickler
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I'm just saying, when you go see a movie on opening night, and there's 20 people in the theater, that is pretty horrible. Nobody looks around and thinks to themselves: man, this movie is a hit. They look around and think: man, this movie is a bomb. If it made more money per screen this weekend than movies that have been out for 5 or 7 weeks, is really irrelevant.
I'm sure that gays and religion/Mormon haters think this is a hit regardless of how few people see it.
Darkwing Duck
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Them's fightin' words!
Come on man. You're really torturing the numbers to get to 20 people a showing, you know that. To start with, you're assuming every theater showed it five times a day and that they didn't discount those matinee showings at all. I think you're also behaving as if the film is playing in the theater's premiere screen they used for Avatar or Toy Story 3 this weekend. The reality is that this movie is probably playing on the smallest screen in the house.
You can torture the numbers all you like or discuss what films it beat but the objective reality is that it did better on a per-screen basis than seven of the top ten grossing movies in the country this weekend and it had to compete with itself as a VOD at home. For a documentary, that's a success. It already beat out well over 90% of all documentaries that are released in the U.S. every year.
Has anybody besides Katie and myself even seen it? Or are you all just hating sight unseen?
Darkwing Duck
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Well some of us may be waiting for more thoughts that may have percolated into your mind, since we all know Katie's review is as far away from objective as you can possibly get.
(I still likely won't watch it whatever you say. Not terribly interested in it.)
Stickler
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Whoa. Torturing numbers? You said it made 42000. I am not torturing any numbers. I have no idea how long this movie is, but if it's about 90 minutes, then yes, it will average 5 showings a day -- in the summertime? On a weekend? Yes it will. Movie theaters program as many screenings of movies as they can, within whatever parameters their particular scheduling philosophy allows them to. It's in their interest to have more screenings per day, obviously. That's why theater chains are always encouraging movie studios to make shorter movies. That is not torturing numbers.
Where I live in Oregon, $8.50 is the matinee price to attend a movie -- I had the rather convenient number, at the end of my simple math, of 875. You see how easily that translates into the cost of a ticket. If I gave the impression that I had actually done research into the cost of the average current ticket price, or if I had contacted the theaters or something to try to determine how many people attended evening shows verses matinee shows -- or whatever... then I apologize. My numbers are based on simple calculations and estimations. They are not meant to be completely accurate, nor does my comment rely upon them being so.
If there were 25 people in each showing, it's still not that impressive. If there were 30, it still sucks.
Now, as to the question of why everybody is "hating on" this movie, I only wish to point out that I am not hating on this movie. I didn't say anything negative about the movie. I said that it seemed to me that the box office receipts were unimpressive. That is unrelated to the question of whether or not the movie is good.
For the record, here is where I stand on various issues....
I will watch this movie. (But I'll probably torrent it.)
I support and defend gay marriage totally and completely.
I think Mormons might be getting a bad rap in this whole deal.
(there is no conflict in holding both of those opinions.)
The movie does not seem, to my eyes, to have had a very impressive opening weekend, box office-wise.
A quick and informal survey by myself indicates it is showing at several places where it is getting only two or three screenings a day. Salt Lake City itself, is one of these places.
You're making the assumption it actually has a screen dedicated to it. That may be the case some places (when I looked, there were two theaters that ran it seemingly every 2 hours), but in most places it doesn't have 100% of a theater's bandwidth.
Ouch. I feel for you. And that's coming from someone who lives in California.
I hate to be a "stickler" but when your argument is based around what it looks like when you walk into the theater factors such as theater size and how many people are actually there makes a big difference. At the Salt Lake theater this is showing at, for example, it's only showing 3 times a day and ticket prices for a matinee are $5.50. If we assume that SLC had an "average" screen figure then suddenly the numbers look very different. You've probably been understating the actual numbers significantly.
True. But considering my initial characterization of the film's box office receipts was "not horrible" it seems a little odd you'd want to march in here and state that yes, in fact, they were horrible. That doesn't smack of totally unbiased behavior. I know you don't like it when Utah and its people are portrayed in a negative light, and I think that's showing up here.
Thief. No excuse when you can VOD it.
Stickler
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It's Monday. How many showtimes were there on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday?
Bandwidth? you soooo don't know what you're talking about...
The majority of tickets sold for any movie -- but particularly a movie like this, will be sold during the evening, when the tickets are more expensive. You've selective grabbed one theater, in a city with low ticket prices, pasted in its matinee ticket price as though it is representative of an average. Instead of that, how about we use the actual average ticket price, for simplicity's sake. Which I just looked up. It's $7.95.
I didn't "march in" anywhere and start declaring anything. I could just as easily say that you "marched in" with your "biased" outlook to gleefully declare some kind of moral victory about the success of this movie.
It would be uncharitable of me to do so, just as your description of my "behavior" (to quote a word you used in an earlier post that I thought was oddly charged) in this case is anything but charitable. Based on the scantest knowledge of the movie theater industry, you said it wasn't horrible. Based on my possibly equally uninformed take of the movie theater industry, I said, no, it sounds horrible.
This was not an emotionally charged moment for me. Why it (might be) for you, I don't know.
I make no excuse. But I'd rather not put money into the hands of these filmmakers if this turns out to be some kind of hatchetjob. I feel no guilt or shame over that. Call me whatever names you wish. If I think they handled the topic fairly, I'll pay them the VOD money.
Totally hating it unseen. I'm totally fine with that, too.
I wouldn't support any other movie that promotes hate, so why on Earth would I see this one?
KatieMCR
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How exactly would you know it's a movie that "promotes hate" as you say? Just how could you possibly know that when you haven't seen it? I genuinely want to know. What exactly are you judging it on?
I for one say the movie promotes love. Of course it appears that my opinion on this movie means nothing to a majority on this board. So be it. That won't stop me from talking about this movie, and encouraging everyone that I can to see it.
All I need to do is read this thread and any reviews. Look at the title of this thread, for hell sakes. Are you trying to tell me that the whole focus of this movie isn't promoting hate toward the LDS church? Really? I swear Skellington was a hell of a top-notch poster and someone I respected greatly, but your new persona is just a mind boggler.
You don't get equality (or anything, for that matter) by stooping to the level of your opposers.
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KatieMCR
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You know I was going to reply to this, but I decided it's a waste of time. You obviously have your mind made up, and will never see this movie. I'm done.
I don't know what gave you that idea... maybe it was:
TroutBum said:
You're sharp, I must say. On that note, good call on not responding to my post. That would've been a bitch to try and defend your position after it was tossed in your face for being the bigoted tripe that it is. No surprise there.
Keep on hating and being a loud-mouth obnoxious tool, though -- it will probably work out in the end.
I don't know, but I don't know why it's reasonable to assume the schedule is markedly different on a Monday.
Sorry, this is how we refer to capacity where I work. In any event, the point still stands.
Actually, I thought I grabbed the theater where the subject would be of the most interest. I figured the movie would do better in SLC than anywhere else.
I actually pretty carefully track things like box office numbers. I've got a boxofficemojo account for instance (which is where these numbers came from originally). My impression of the film's performance was based upon my experience in looking at these numbers every week. It was also based upon a comparison between it's per-theater numbers vs. other films' per-theater numbers. The numbers aren't fantastic. They're nowhere near big-time documentaries like Super-size me or Fahrenheit 9/11. They're also not at the level of Oscar-nominated docs like Encounters at the End of the World either. But they're not horrible. It's certainly not getting swept out of theaters in a week or two. Jonah Hex was a bomb this week given its level of advertising, big-name stars and theater exposure. This film isn't a world-beater, but it certainly did better than others this week and perfectly reasonably for a documentary.
Come on. Saying you're a thief if you don't pay someone for a service when there's an admission price isn't an ad hominem, it's stating a fact.