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Less Kanter = more wins?

The jazz have a winning record when, during half time, I take a huge broccoli-heavy dump. Coincidence??!?
 
doubledribble said:
I noticed that without Enes the Jazz went on a winning streak and thought it was just a coincidence, so I ran the numbers for a season. The results surprised me:

Kanter plays 0-9 minitues = 9W, 4L (69% - on par with OKC and Denver)
Kanter plays 10-19 minitues = 24W, 22L (52%, which exactly matches the Jazz record)
Kanter plays 20+ minitues = 6W, 10L (38% - matches the record of Washington and Minnesota)

These numbers seem to suggest that the less time Enes spends on the court the better it is for the Jazz... I wonder if that is the reason why Corbin played Kanter the limited minutes this season?
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you are right.
lets package kanter, and our 1st round and the one from goldenstate. for a top 6 pick so we can get burke


/thread.


okay joking

KANTER PWNS
 
stoked said:
until you notice that the games that kanter plays the mose minutes in are when were are already getting stomped. Those high minute games for kanter consist of a high % of garbage minutes.
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exactly!
Duh!

for example the houston thumping.
kanter gots a lot of minutes in that one
 
orangello said:
I guessed you missed the part that the Jazz are feeding on lotto teams (with the lone exception of Brooklyn who was playing their 3rd game in 4 night and was on the back end of a B2B with the other game the night before being in Denver, which is hard for even the elite teams) while Kanter has been out.
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whn kanter has a monster game 20/20 everyone yells but it was the lowly bobcats and means nothing.

when Jefferson avg about 40 minutes per game takes 70 shots scores 79 points and plays 10 minutes of defense per games.
he becomes the player of the week. and nobody notices what the opponents are
 
nightmare3983 said:
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I knew you'd come to help me!
 
GVC said:
1. Who was backing up Kanter in those games?

2. The biggest problem with your conclusion is that the Jazz for the season have been much better statistically with Kanter on the court than off. Unless he has some magical negative effect on the team when he's on the bench, your conclusion is, well, idiotic.
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This.
 
Conversely, Al Jefferson has missed 4 games this year:

12/7 Jazz vs Raptors 131-99 W* (also no Favors)
3/1 Jazz vs Bobcats 98-68 W* (also no Millsap)
3/4 Jazz at Bucks 108-109 L (Favors benched end of 3rd through OT - still had 23 pts, 15 rebs - Loss was on Ty)
3/6 Jazz at Cavs 101-104 L (Kanter having monster game but Mo tries to match Kyrie Iving's Hero Ball performance while Ty stands there like a moron - Loss was on Ty)

This is a tiny sample size, but the Jazz were at least fun to watch all 4 of those games. Had Ty been a better coach in the last two, they would have won those games.

Al just clogs everything up and looks like **** out there. Ditch him AND Paul and get some PG help—the Jazz seem to do better anyway when 2 bigs are out.
 
GVC said:
The biggest problem with your conclusion is that the Jazz for the season have been much better statistically with Kanter on the court than off. Unless he has some magical negative effect on the team when he's on the bench, your conclusion is, well, idiotic.
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Why, the other posters already pointed out the reason for it - Kanter often plays extended minutes in the blowouts, when the opponent stopped caring and the young Jazz players eager for minutes make a meaningless mini-run against the scrubs.

The same reason that Evans has the highest on/off for the team...unless, of course, you truly believe that he is the best player for the Jazz.
 
I think I somehow got misunderstood in this thread. I do not imply that the Jazz are better with Kanter playing as little as possible. It just that in the Corbin's system playing Kanter extra minutes does not benefit the team. And Kanter is not so good so that he would significantly improve the team under any coach. So Ty is absolutely right playing Enes limited minutes, the numbers bear it out - he is not a good fit for what Ty is trying to do.

Of course, it is quite possible that in the other lineups and in different offensive system Kanter could be way more productive. I just wanted to point out that there is a logic in Corbin's madness.
 
doubledribble said:
So Ty is absolutely right playing Enes limited minutes, the numbers bear it out - he is not a good fit for what Ty is trying to do
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The numbers do not bear it out.

Kanter only plays big minutes in case of injury and/or in blowouts. Presumably, the Jazz have been blown out more than they've blown out other teams. Therefore one would expect the Jazz to have a poor record when Kanter plays big minutes (since they were already getting blown out OR Kanter had garbage backing him up).

The variance in game-by-game performance is way too high to draw any sort of conclusion in the 8 games that Kanter played and played 9 minutes or less. Further, you need to look at who the Jazz played to say anything at all. The data says nothing, basically.

Claiming Kanter's high +/- can be accounted for by the blowouts he plays in is ridiculous, and almost certainly not true. Go ahead and try to find his garbage time +/-, then come back and start talking about what the "numbers bear out".
 
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You might also want to consider that in true garbage time, Murphy plays. The Jazz have been outscored by 39 in the 49 minutes Murph has played (and have only outscored opponents by 26 in the 207 minutes Evans has played).
 
FWIW:

Kanter's +/- per48 in all games: +5.1

Kanter's +/- per48 in games decided by 8 points or fewer: +5.0

Must be garbage time...
 
What are his stats when he gets starter minutes?

In (3) games with 30+ minutes:

Team: 2-1
PPG: 19.6
RPG: 13.3
FG%: 58.5%

The game we lost he didn't start
 
GVC said:
1. Who was backing up Kanter in those games?

2. The biggest problem with your conclusion is that the Jazz for the season have been much better statistically with Kanter on the court than off. Unless he has some magical negative effect on the team when he's on the bench, your conclusion is, well, idiotic.
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/ thread. Nothing else needed to be said.
 
The thing is that Foye and Mo have been playing out of their minds and we have been playing bad teams. that is all there is too it. KAnter did not hurt us.
 
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