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Transgender woman sues LPGA for birth rule

By PAUL ELIAS, Associated Press Writer
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) Lana Lawless, a former police officer who underwent a sex change operation five years ago, is challenging the LPGA's ban on transgender players.

She filed a federal lawsuit late Tuesday in San Francisco federal court claiming the LPGA's "female at birth" requirement for competitors violates a California civil rights law.

Lawless is seeking to prevent the LPGA from holding tournaments in the state until the organization changes its policy to admit transgender players. She is also seeking unspecified damages.

Lawless, 57, also sued three LPGA sponsors and the Long Drivers of America, which holds the annual women's long-drive golf championship. Lawless won the event in 2008 with a 254-yard drive but was barred from competing this year after organizers adopted the LPGA's gender rules.

"I am, in all respects, legally, and physically female," Lawless said in a statement Wednesday. "The state of California recognizes me as such and the LPGA should not be permitted to come into California and blatantly violate my rights. I just want to have the same opportunity to play professional golf as any other woman."

LPGA spokesman David Higdon declined to comment because the organization hasn't seen the lawsuit. A spokesman for the Long Drivers of America also declined to comment.

Lawless said the LPGA is one of the few athletic organizations to bar transgender competitors. She noted that the International Olympic Committee has allowed transgender athletes since 2004 as long as the competitor underwent surgery and at least two years of hormone-replacement therapy.

"I could participate in female wrestling in international Olympic events," said Lawless.

The LPGA's CVS/pharmacy Challenge tournament begins Thursday in Danville.

"Transgender discrimination is at the forefront of civil rights," said Christopher Dolan, Lawless' attorney. "Transgender people have been pushed into the dark for too long."

Dolan cited the same state civil rights law when he represented a transgender woman who sued a Catholic hospital chain in 2008 for refusing to perform breast implant surgery. Catholic Healthcare West agreed to change its policy and paid Charlene Hastings $200,000 to settle the lawsuit.

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The main reason I'm posting this here, is because the topic of transgender athletes has been touched upon previously on this board. I have no personal interest in golf, but I really hope she wins this lawsuit. Why should she be denied the right to play? Where do they expect her to play? It's not like the men would allow her to play with them. She is recognized by the law as a woman, and should be allowed to play golf with the LPGA. I'll be keeping an eye on this story.
 
I couldn't disagree more. At the end of the day, she's a man (testosterone and all) and shouldn't be allowed to play a woman's sport. I would say the same if a girl wanted to play ping pong for the men's National team.

Of all the things to get riled up about... Some people just HAVE to bitch, don't they?
 
Why should she be denied the right to play?

Easy. He's a man. It's the LPGA. L stands for Ladies, the opposite of a man.

Where do they expect her to play?

Same place as every other man who can't play in the LPGA?

It's not like the men would allow her to play with them.

How do you know? Maybe he should have thought this through before chopping off his wang.

She is recognized by the law as a woman,

What a dumb law.

and should be allowed to play golf with the LPGA. I'll be keeping an eye on this story.

You do that. I hope he loses.
 
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Where do they expect her to play? It's not like the men would allow her to play with them.

There is no "mens golf tour." Anyone who is good enough is allowed to play on the PGA tour. There have been women who have played in a couple events but no women have been good enough to be full timers.

On the flip side, there is lots of dudes that could play on the LPGA tour if they just got rid of their dingers.

Recent studies have shown that males are athletically superior to females.
 
The main reason I'm posting this here, is because the topic of transgender athletes has been touched upon previously on this board. I have no personal interest in golf, but I really hope she wins this lawsuit. Why should she be denied the right to play? Where do they expect her to play? It's not like the men would allow her to play with them. She is recognized by the law as a woman, and should be allowed to play golf with the LPGA. I'll be keeping an eye on this story.

I kind of have the feeling that you think people can do anything they want, whenever they want and if people say no, you're going to put up a stink. She was born a man, even if she had a sex change, the fact still remains she was born a man. Why deny the rights of the females who were born females to only have to compete against females? This made me think of Juwuana Mann.
 
The main reason I'm posting this here, is because the topic of transgender athletes has been touched upon previously on this board. I have no personal interest in golf, but I really hope she wins this lawsuit. Why should she be denied the right to play? Where do they expect her to play? It's not like the men would allow her to play with them. She is recognized by the law as a woman, and should be allowed to play golf with the LPGA. I'll be keeping an eye on this story.

This person has the body of a male (aside from a possible set of fake boobs), the musculature of a male, the strength of a male and the competitive drive of a male... and you think they should get to play with the females because they feel like a female? If I have a 25 year old son with mental issues that puts him on par with a 12 year old mentally, should I argue that he be allowed to play little league football even though he outweighs his fellow opponents by triple and stands a foot and a half taller than them?

I know you are all for trans-gender people being treated as perfectly normal like everyone else but at some point a little common sense needs to be recognized.
 
Wow a lot of ignorance being shown. She was not born a man. Her gender identity was never male. She was born with a physical birth defect, which was corrected. She has completed SRS. Someone who has SRS, has to have lived in their identified gender role for at least one year before they can obtain approval to have the surgery. They also undergo hormone therapy. Her hormone levels are that of a female, her physical sex is female, and her gender identity is female. This is why the state of California recognizes her as a female. She should have every right to play with the women.

Every single thing said in this thread about this woman is a personal insult to me. I have already come out as a transsexual on this board several times. Good hell my damn avatar and signature contain the transgender symbol. My gender identity is, and always has been, female. I did not choose to be born this way, but I damn well am choosing to make the physical changes I see as necessary to live a happy and fulfilled life. This is the kind of crap I've been speaking out against on this board. The discrimination towards all people, specifically transgender in this case, needs to stop!
 
This person has the body of a male (aside from a possible set of fake boobs), the musculature of a male, the strength of a male and the competitive drive of a male... and you think they should get to play with the females because they feel like a female? If I have a 25 year old son with mental issues that puts him on par with a 12 year old mentally, should I argue that he be allowed to play little league football even though he outweighs his fellow opponents by triple and stands a foot and a half taller than them?

This is way off.

In one scenario the person thinks they are one way, but they are actually physically another way (your scenario)... a transgender person has medically and legally become what they believed was their original gender.

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I can agree with this, and while I don't necessarily feel the LPGA's current stance is fair, this particular sport might be a had fought battle. I think transgender people need to make more progress before a sport like golf (with such an "interesting" history) accepts such progressive societal changes. IDK.

It's a tough one.

Katie, don't let this board get you down. It ain't worth it.
 
Here's an article for people who falsely believe a transsexual woman somehow has an advantage due to their previous physical male status.

Why don't transsexuals dominate women's sports?
Golfer Lana Lawless sues to compete as a woman. A recent report says there's no evidence she'd have an advantage

Professional golfer Lana Lawless just wants to keep competing as a woman. The 57-year-old won the women's world championship in long-drive golf in 2008, but she was recently excluded from the competition when the tournament adopted the "female at birth" policy of the Ladies Professional Golf Association. You see, Lawless is a transgender woman: She was born biologically male and underwent gender reassignment in 2005. Now she's suing the LPGA on the grounds that its guidelines violate civil rights.

But, you might ask, what about the rights of biological female athletes? Don't male-to-female transsexuals have a competitive edge? We divide athletic competitions by gender because of inherent biological differences in size and strength, right? Even the most liberal-minded among us -- OK, yes, I'm talking about myself -- might react to Lawless' suit with some trepidation. It turns out, though, that there is no proof that transgender women have an automatic advantage. A report released earlier this month on transgender student athletes says:

... even transgender girls who do not access hormone blockers or cross-gender hormones display a great deal of physical variation, just as there is a great deal of natural variation in physical size and ability among non-transgender girls and boys. Many people may have a stereotype that all transgender girls and women are unusually tall and have large bones and muscles. But that is not true. A male-to-female transgender girl may be small and slight, even if she is not on hormone blockers or taking estrogen. It is important not to over generalize. The assumption that all male-bodied people are taller, stronger, and more highly skilled in a sport than all female-bodied people is not accurate ...

It is also important to know that any athletic advantages a transgender girl or woman arguably may have as a result of her prior testosterone levels dissipate after about one year of estrogen therapy. According to medical experts on this issue, the assumption that a transgender girl or woman competing on a women's team would have a competitive advantage outside the range of performance and competitive advantage or disadvantage that already exists among female athletes is not supported by evidence. As one survey of the existing research concludes, "the data available does not appear to suggest that transitioned athletes would compete at an advantage or disadvantage as compared with physically born men and women."

Indeed, since 2004, the International Olympic Committee has allowed transsexuals to compete after genital reconstructive surgery and two years of hormonal treatment. However, the report cited above notes that, "to date, there is no available research or other reliable scientific evidence to either support or refute the position that transitioned athletes compete at an advantage or disadvantage compared with physically born men and women athletes." Unfortunately, the rational response to such findings -- a call for more research -- may come up against significant roadblocks: "In view of the lack of available research and the methodology requirements for credible new research, the answer to that question may never be known with certainty given the low prevalence of transitioned individuals in the population."

This debate isn't so different from the one South African runner Caster Semenya was thrust into last year. It took nearly a year for the athlete to be cleared for competition after undergoing "gender verification testing," and the truth is that there is no medical consensus on how to conduct a sex test. We organize athletic competition, and our entire world, according to gender because it's the easiest framework we have -- but it's also an imperfect one, and there are no simple solutions. Ultimately, competition isn't about fairness. As Ariel Levy wrote in her excellent profile of Semenya, "Different bodies have physical attributes, even abnormalities, that may provide a distinct advantage in one sport or another." This is true for NBA players with a growth hormone condition that benefits their performance on the court, and it also may be true for Semenya and Lawless -- we just don't know.

I will leave you with this interesting tidbit: Renee Richards, the transgender tennis player who successfully sued for her right to compete in the U.S. Open in the 1970s, has since spoken out against the right of male-to-female transsexuals to compete as women, arguing that they have a distinct physical advantage that isn't diminished by hormones. That said, Richards played well post-transition, but she didn't dominate the game.

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Go ahead and throw around asinine stereotypes, even though there are scientific studies that disprove them.
 
Wow a lot of ignorance being shown. She was not born a man. Her gender identity was never male. She was born with a physical birth defect, which was corrected....

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I know these issues are extremely confusing, but that seems to be quite a statement you're making there. Where exactly do these situations cross the line to become a "physical birth defect"?
 
"to date, there is no available research or other reliable scientific evidence to either support or refute the position that transitioned athletes compete at an advantage or disadvantage compared with physically born men and women athletes."

Oh, got it. Did you even read that before you posted?
 
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I know these issues are extremely confusing, but that seems to be quite a statement you're making there. Where exactly do these situations cross the line to become a "physical birth defect"?

I will speak on this from my own perspective. I identify my gender as 100% female. How many woman do you know that would be happy if they had been born with the pats of a man? To me that is a birth defect. The sex doesn't match the gender. A person's gender is hard wired in their brain, and cannot be change. Due to medical advancements, a person is able to change their sex to match their gender. Seriously, people just don't seem to understand how hard it is to feel like you were born in the wrong body. It isn't made any easier with all the discrimination we face on a daily basis.
 
She was born with a male sex organ. That is the physical birth defect. It is how I view my body as well.

I find it interesting that you consider a perfectly formed male body as the birth defect. There is nothing physically wrong.
 
Oh, got it. Did you even read that before you posted?

Yes I did. Did you even read the two paragraphs quoted from the study? Those two paragraphs back up the claim that transsexual females would not have an advantage. I am still reading the entire study, which will take some more time as it is 57 pages.
 
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