Leverage

[Mission Accomplished]

This is what I don't get by all of these NBA players playing in all of these dinky tournaments reduce their leverage? I mean they are pretty much playing infront of crowds for free. And on the other hand they are trying to tell NBA owners who are losing money that they will give in a little bit; but, they still want to get paid.

 

[margodydek]

Owners to players: "We want to reduce your salaries by ~8%, reduce the length of contracts, and make them quasi-guaranteed"

Players to owners: "This offer is ridiculous, and to show you how ridiculous it is we are going to play in Europe where we'll be playing for 60-70% less than what we'd make here, on non-guaranteed contracts that will last, at most, one year."

 

[Mission Accomplished]

Owners to players: "We want to reduce your salaries by ~8%, reduce the length of contracts, and make them quasi-guaranteed"

Players to owners: "This offer is ridiculous, and to show you how ridiculous it is we are going to play in Europe where we'll be playing for 60-70% less than what we'd make here, on non-guaranteed contracts that will last, at most, one year."

Ya, and look at all of these street ball that they are playing where they are punching fans and things are crazy. This they are doing For Free.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0y9DkJcxH4

 

[green]

I said this earlier, and I'll say it again. Players playing overseas vastly helps the owners. I can hear this conversation now:

"Deron, you went and played in Turkey for 5 million. We respect the hell out of you, that shows you love the game. I know you are going to make 17 million next year, but that means I lose money, and I can't run a business that way. Much the same way you couldn't sit around the US making nothing, so you went to Turkey to get your 5 million. I know you work hard, and you love the game and I want to reward you for that. So, what the other owners wanted to do was double your salary. You get to live in the US, have 5 star hotels, per diem's, private team jets, etc and double your salary. But I didn't like that, so I pushed hard and showed what a great asset you are to the NBA and we have decided that max deals are now 13 million a year. Doesn't that sound great?"

 

[spycam1]

Owners to players: "We want to reduce your salaries by ~8%, reduce the length of contracts, and make them quasi-guaranteed"

Players to owners: "This offer is ridiculous, and to show you how ridiculous it is we are going to play in Europe where we'll be playing for 60-70% less than what we'd make here, on non-guaranteed contracts that will last, at most, one year."

Exactly.

 

[One Brow]

Owners to players: "We want to reduce your salaries by ~8%, reduce the length of contracts, and make them quasi-guaranteed"

Players to owners: "This offer is ridiculous, and to show you how ridiculous it is we are going to play in Europe where we'll be playing for 60-70% less than what we'd make here, on non-guaranteed contracts that will last, at most, one year."

A reduction from 57% of BRI to 39% of BRI is an ~8% reduction? Try a 32% reduction in salary.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

A reduction from 57% of BRI to 39% of BRI is an ~8% reduction? Try a 32% reduction in salary.

But, what about leverage. I don't get why they are taking these garbage deals or playing in dangerous areas for low to limited money. This isn't the NFL those players have leverage because of the big $$$ and there would be no basketball. There is a ton of tournaments going on these players are playing in them. What they need to do is build the NBA and then they could gain leverage to negotiate a great deal.

 

[margodydek]

A reduction from 57% of BRI to 39% of BRI is an ~8% reduction? Try a 32% reduction in salary.

Just quoting Stern, which I know doesn't make it an exact figure, but I haven't heard anyone call him out on it, so I'm assuming it's pretty close to the offer the owners are considering. Where do you get 32%. I get the math, just wondering where these numbers come from, and I'm not calling you out, I just haven't been following the negotiations too much.

 

[margodydek]

A reduction from 57% of BRI to 39% of BRI is an ~8% reduction? Try a 32% reduction in salary.

OK, I found this article by Andrew Brandt at ESPN, which explains this (https://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=labor-110629).

From what I gather there is nothing to suggest that the owners would want to "reduce" the players salaries by 32%. What they want to is to give the players a guaranteed $2 billion a yr (currently at $2.17 billion). Over the years given new TV deals, etc. this would keep the players at $2 billion while the owners percentage would increase, and it is estimated that after 10 yrs the owners would be at about 60%, and the players at 40%. So while I don't agree with this, the players would not be taking a significant pay cut (8% to be exact - as I stated earlier), it would limit their ability to increase their salaries as revenue increases.

In my opinion they should just settle on 50/50

 

[Mission Accomplished]

yes, but that is because the NBA is losing money right now. If the owners were able to increase their money through TV deals, etc. Then in the next negotiating session the players could renegotiate for a bigger piece of the pie. Owners have all of the costs they have fixed, and variable costs. The players just make the money none of their salary goes to pay the GM, CFO, stadium fees,... all the way down to the ushers. An NBA player gets paid the same if the team is selling out or if there are two fans in the stands. Their plight would be more realistic if they were like the NFL players wanting their league to succeed instead of running overseas for whoever shows them some green.

 

[candrew]

I said this earlier, and I'll say it again. Players playing overseas vastly helps the owners.

Perhaps, but it will most definitely prolong the lockout; which is what matters most; isn't it?

 

[Mission Accomplished]

Perhaps, but it will most definitely prolong the lockout; which is what matters most; isn't it?

In a way-yes. But, if owners don't win the negotiations because of the state of the NBA I don't think it will help our small market Jazz.

 

[Scorpjazz]

I think them playing over seas hurts the owners, no question at all.
I 100% side with the owners on the whole lockout, but players have the right to play bball where they can. Its not apples to apples and doesn't hurt the players to play there AT ALL.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I think them playing over seas hurts the owners, no question at all.
I 100% side with the owners on the whole lockout, but players have the right to play bball where they can. Its not apples to apples and doesn't hurt the players to play there AT ALL.

At all? They're making maybe a quarter of what they'd make over here, far away from their family, friends, the culture, all while slowly wasting away the few years they have to make NBA change. In short, I'd guess it would cost the average NBA'er a few million this year alone. More likely, for most, their entire paycheck.

 

[lesab96]

Ok, check it out ya'll. The players are promoting basketball in other countries. I can't see how that's NOT a slap in the face of the owners. If basketball starts growing outside of the United States, those owners have to compete with the rest of the world for salary negotiation instead of just each other.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Ok, check it out ya'll. The players are promoting basketball in other countries. I can't see how that's NOT a slap in the face of the owners. If basketball starts growing outside of the United States, those owners have to compete with the rest of the world for salary negotiation instead of just each other.

... or, basketball becomes an even hotter commodity internationally, than it already is, and the NBA enjoys better TV revenue, merchandising, etc.

 

[margodydek]

Ok, check it out ya'll. The players are promoting basketball in other countries. I can't see how that's NOT a slap in the face of the owners. If basketball starts growing outside of the United States, those owners have to compete with the rest of the world for salary negotiation instead of just each other.

Do you think the EPL was scared when the MLS was born?

 

[margodydek]

... or, basketball becomes an even hotter commodity internationally, than it already is, and the NBA enjoys better TV revenue, merchandising, etc.

I'm sure Stern and some owners are secretly happy that some players are going overseas. There's nothing wrong with getting more eyes to see your product. Even if the lockout ends and the NBA season starts on time, there will be a lot of people in Turkey who will now want to watch DWill for the mere sake of seeing what they could have had.

 

[carolinajazz]

A reduction from 57% of BRI to 39% of BRI is an ~8% reduction? Try a 32% reduction in salary.

....I wouldn't let them back in until it was 50%!!!

 

[green]

Ok, check it out ya'll. The players are promoting basketball in other countries. I can't see how that's NOT a slap in the face of the owners. If basketball starts growing outside of the United States, those owners have to compete with the rest of the world for salary negotiation instead of just each other.

Really? Do you honestly think any NBA owner is worried about competing with Turkey in salaries? Turkey is paying Deron 5 million. The NBA would have to pay Deron 17 million. The NBA owners would LOVE to compete with overseas teams for salaries. I'm sure some NBA team would completely overpay Deron and pay him 13 million a year.