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Lillard available?

This thread makes me sad. Now I'm going to be all sorts of butthurt tomorrow afternoon when we don't make a trade that had a 0% chance of happening to begin with.
 
green said:
Lillard would be our best player and it is not debatable. Go look at what Lillard did last year with Portland.

44 wins. Gobert and Hayward have never done that and they get to play together.

If you can get Lillard, you get him. It is a no brainer. I'd even trade Hayward to get him, but I don't think PDX would want Hayward with their rebuild.

Moving away from Stoked:

This debate is as stupid as the Harden debate a few years ago. Yes, if OKC wants Kanter and Hayward for Harden, YOU DO IT.

Stars win games here. Not a bunch of role players. Go get stars. That is the hard part. It is easy to find role players. It is near IMPOSSIBLE to get a player of Lillard's level. We had a shot with Harden and sat on our hands. Don't be stupid again. Go get Lillard. Especially if you can keep Gobert.

Lillard and Gobert would be as good as any duo in the league. They win you 50 games a year.

Don't be dumb. Go get Lillard.
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Hayward is better, NBA coaches agree.

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Lillard may be the worst defender at the PG position in the league. Especially at getting through a screen.

I'm for giving up the farm for Butler since he is a 2-way player but Lillard isn't a "no-brainer". Lillard is an extremely talented offensive player, extremely, but also is in the most stacked position in the league and is a REAL liability on defense. You can't hide him when you play two good guards (which most teams have).
 
Hey green, if stars win games and Hayward/Gobert duo is guilty because they have never won 44, how do you explain Utah on pace for 50+ and Lillard/McCollum for 35 (or less).

Clearly supporting cast matters. Favors, Hood and 2 firsts would be a fair price. To "throw in" an all-star (Hayward) is laughable. You undervalue Hayward and overvalue Lillard.

Also, ANY lineup with Hill as the SG is destined to fail. He was used that way in Indiana. Take the ball out of his hands and you may as well trade him.
 
MDAV28 said:
Lillard may be the worst defender at the PG position in the league. Especially at getting through a screen.

I'm for giving up the farm for Butler since he is a 2-way player but Lillard isn't a "no-brainer". Lillard is an extremely talented offensive player, extremely, but also is in the most stacked position in the league and is a REAL liability on defense. You can't hide him when you play two good guards (which most teams have).
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I'd do the same for Butler. Both players elevate you to contender status. I think the draw for Lillard is that he wouldn't be trying to get out of here first chance he got.

You'd have Hayward, Gobert and Lillard for as long as you wanted.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Hey green, if stars win games and Hayward/Gobert duo is guilty because they have never won 44, how do you explain Utah on pace for 50+ and Lillard/McCollum for 35 (or less).

Clearly supporting cast matters. Favors, Hood and 2 firsts would be a fair price. To "throw in" an all-star (Hayward) is laughable. You undervalue Hayward and overvalue Lillard.

Also, ANY lineup with Hill as the SG is destined to fail. He was used that way in Indiana. Take the ball out of his hands and you may as well trade him.
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Uhh, Hill was very successful off ball in Indy. He might not like it and certainly wouldn't re-sign, but it would be effective.

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Stifle Tower said:
Hey green, if stars win games and Hayward/Gobert duo is guilty because they have never won 44, how do you explain Utah on pace for 50+ and Lillard/McCollum for 35 (or less).

Clearly supporting cast matters. Favors, Hood and 2 firsts would be a fair price. To "throw in" an all-star (Hayward) is laughable. You undervalue Hayward and overvalue Lillard.

Also, ANY lineup with Hill as the SG is destined to fail. He was used that way in Indiana. Take the ball out of his hands and you may as well trade him.
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Of course supporting cast matters. Don't be obtuse. If you want to make the playoffs, you need a team. If you want to win a title, you need a star.

Hayward isn't a star. Gobert is a lot closer than I ever dreamed possible. So, there are currently two stars available. One star gives you the chance to keep Hayward and Gobert (Lillard).

Go get him.

As far as Hill goes, if I have to trade him to bring in Lillard, I trade him. In fact, I traded him in my other crazy *** thread post. Hill is a very, very, very nice player. Lillard is better.
 
We have Gobert, they don't. Get Lillard if you can. It's easier for us to hide him.
 
green said:
Of course supporting cast matters. Don't be obtuse. If you want to make the playoffs, you need a team. If you want to win a title, you need a star.

Hayward isn't a star. Gobert is a lot closer than I ever dreamed possible. So, there are currently two stars available. One star gives you the chance to keep Hayward and Gobert (Lillard).

Go get him.

As far as Hill goes, if I have to trade him to bring in Lillard, I trade him. In fact, I traded him in my other crazy *** thread post. Hill is a very, very, very nice player. Lillard is better.
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The NBA disagrees. Or maybe it was an imposter in NOLA. Hayward is a star, proven.
 
What happened to Portland? They have the same team as last year. A lot of fans on their forums blame it on Lillards lack of D and hero ball in the 4th quarter.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
What happened to Portland? They have the same team as last year. A lot of fans on their forums blame it on Lillards lack of D and hero ball in the 4th quarter.

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Lillard is absolutely atrocious on defense. This isn't Harden losing his man (although he does that), he really cannot get through a screen.
 
And consider who is leaking info on these things. Do you think Portland is leaking this? Do you think k Utah leaked Favors being shopped rumors? Most likely other teams link this info in an effort to create distrust among players/front offices in hopes that player will be easier to trade for in the future.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Uhh, Hill was very successful off ball in Indy. He might not like it and certainly wouldn't re-sign, but it would be effective.

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So successful they decided to trade him for Teague. I'd say he was moderately successful. Certainly he CAN play off ball, but his effectiveness diminishes.

I agree with the hero ball and lack of defense remarks.

If Lillard is a superstar and Hayward isn't a star, how do we explain the W/L records this season?
 
Stoked said:
The NBA disagrees. Or maybe it was an imposter in NOLA. Hayward is a star, proven.
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When has Hayward ever put the Jazz on his back, dropped 30 points to lead them to a win?

Lillard this year: 39 vs Jazz, 37 vs Denver, 42 vs Dallas, 38 vs PHX, 36 vs Sac, 32 vs Denver, 30 vs Chicago, 33 vs Memphis. He did it 19 times last year.

Gordon: six times this year. Two times last year.

We are splitting hairs here as well. Hayward is on a playoff team. Lillard is on a terrible team. That is why one was an All Star and the other wasn't. They are both very good players. I'd rather have Lillard and I'd bet most GM's feel the same.

Lillard can carry a team. Lillard and Gobert would be special together. More special than Hayward and Gobert.

The crazy thing is, it sounds like the Jazz could get Hayward, Lillard and Gobert. That is orgasmic.
 
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