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Lindsey is a far more wasteful GM than ppl want to admit. It's time for a change.

Yeah well Fox was drafted before our pick came in. Mitchell's future greatness will depend on his shooting.

Holding on to and catering to Hayward was pure victim mentality. This organization has to get over that mountain at some point.
 
Spaniard said:
I think the biggest mistake has been taking trey Burke over Rudy or giannis. At this point it's difficult to know what we have in DL. With some hits and some misses. He'll have a boat load of money to play with this off season, and a fan base potentially ready for change.
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the way the PG issue has festered has been easily his biggest failure, it's like watchng someoen fight a grease fire with water.. and for me personally I thought Dennis Schroder was a top-5 player in that draft so it's just been exasperating to see it all play out. I was the guy in that draftee's thread who did far-and-away the most thorough debunking of Burke's over-ratedness too, thats really where my vilification here began.
 
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I'm not here to fan the flames. I don't care to see ya guys squirm. To me, this is more like Lord Bullingdon returning to claim his satisfaction...


reading last nights game thread I thought "i'm gonna take it easy on these guys", kicking people while their down ain't my style.. some of this **** deserves to be said around here, I don't think this is just a bad start, i think this team is flawed, their too predictable(something I've said about every jazz team since i showed up here in 2012).....


Lindsey gets paid a ton of $$$ and isn't worth it... It's a discussion worth having, as someone who's been saying it for years I think it's tme for a thread.


there's people i'm sure watching this season in horror and thinking "how?" "why?" and I at least would liek to share my thoughts on it, seeing as I've been right about like a ****-ton of things here....
 
Jazz4ever said:
That really can't be stressed enough. No GM can entirely draft a championship roster - no one is that good. The fact DL won 48 and 51 games back to back on a totally hand drafted, home grown roster, with not one star FA signing, is a great accomplishment.
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I'm sorry but I disagree vehemently. I also believe that your standards are kinda pitifully low.. There's big $$$ on the line here. **** mediocrity.
 
fishonjazz said:
I'm just happy that DL didn't max Harrison Barnes.

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Well lets all celebrate the $$$ ownership has saved... HOO--------RAY!!!

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We're not any good but at least we're frugal!

The plans I used to outline were unrealistic because involved running up the cap to the limit to truly go for it. Instead there was a truncated effort, and now SURPRISE!!!!!!!!!!!! truncated results...
 
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Gilles de Rais said:
No damage?!?!? Wait a second. If Utah fizzles out this year and finished 10th in the west, that will reflect quite poorly on incoming free agents... Thats really just the tip of the iceberg..

In the NBA if your not getting better, you're getting worse, it's very true not just some bs announcers throw around.
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This is a huge concern for me. We should be auditioning for free agents but who tf would want to join this mess. If this continues, take a coat hanger too it and start over.
 
our Gm in these years has spent 5 first pick to take playmaker and the result is that we do not have a good play roster, excluding Ingles there is not a real shooter .. In the past had offered 88 million to Hill, a real scandal .. it is too conservative, the best FA brought to Salt Lake was JJ who was 33 years old ... we are not appealing for in FA? ok, so why is not it braver with Trade anymore? Lindsey is not scarce, it's decent .. certainly not as super as many believe ..
 
Gilles de Rais said:
This guy waived Derrick Rose.....



DERRICK ROSE IS SHOOTING 48% from 3 this season..







****drops the mic****

( used to always suggest taking a flier on FORMER MVP Derrick Rose here, and people always HATED it...)
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Oh cmon you can't blame DL for this. Rose was traded to the Jazz with the knowledge that he would be waived so he could choose his own team, just like Joe Johnson to the Kings. Rose would have been pissed if he wasn't waived.
 
Team full of glue guy types and a future Go to guy. Mitchell is to young to lead a team at this point. Jazz a are much better tanking and building via the draft. They will never be a free agents destination.
 
Ultimately, the Jazz operate within this trust now. Which means DL is going to need a very direct 'okay' from Gail and whoever else is on the board to dig into the luxury tax. This means digging into other LHM assets. Trust me, last time they went into the tax, the team had to borrow heavily against the other businesses and it's something ownership is very hesitant to do as it messes with the entirety of their financial model.

They need more revenue and they've made a push to install more boxes and club seating with this renovation. Look around at most other modern arenas. They're sitting on 2-3 levels of club suites and Vivint still only has one. The Jazz are shoving people into every little corner in that arena and who knows if it'll be enough? The Silicon Slopes region is generating more cash, yes. Getting that money into the team seems to be a priority.

Financially? The Jazz are still stuck. It'll take a year or two of WCF appearances before they even consider the tax IMO. So, not only are stars hesitant to come here, we're not willing to spend like other teams might be able to when they get their claws into a star or two.
 
sahlensguy said:
Yeah well Fox was drafted before our pick came in. Mitchell's future greatness will depend on his shooting.

Holding on to and catering to Hayward was pure victim mentality. This organization has to get over that mountain at some point.
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Get over the mountain at some point? I
there has been baseball teams playing hundred years that have never won a chip. Bball you aware h ow many teams have zero chips?
 
LifeOnaPlate said:
You quit being a Jazz fan in 2017?

You haven't been missed.
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Yeah, I thought Utah had a chance to be a rose that grew from the concrete, but way before It blossomed Lindsey pruned the **** out of it and killed it... once I realized the parallels between how (most, not all) "hardcore" Jazz fans defended Hayward's every action(looking at you Cy!)and "hardcore" Knicks fans who defended Carmelo (in the early melo knicks days).. As that became more apparent I knew it was time. The George Hill trade was also one of the final signals. The logic I presented the very day of that trade, which people lined up to jeer, was in fact sound....

The outrageous front office follies of the early 2000's Knicks were in part due to turning draft picks into older vet reclamation projects. Hill and Rubio are in that vein.

I hated that people felt cornered by Hayward, like we have no better choice, thats nonsense and this franchise was held hostage, by someone who dropped them like a sack of potatoes to seek greener pastures.

I genuinely didn't enjoy my interactions with Jazz fans either, which was the main reason I stopped rooting for the Knicks. Too often this place is the epitome of "Talk sense to a fool and they call you foolish"... Older I get this behavior is obviously everywhere, being a Jazzfanz helped me gain that perspective, and for that I'm thankful and it was all worth it. No regrets.
 
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The Rodney Hood situation was completely butchered too. Thats a case-study in sunk cost... There's just so much waste, IDK how a small-market team like Utah could even be shocked with the lacklustre play this year. the team is underequipped and it's a bunch of old guys in suits fault.
 
I don't actually buy that many common fans root for their teams, I believe a considerable % of them they root for themselves, they root for their feelings, and don't wanna admit it. Surely this site got plenty of people who advocate for the team to cut off its nose to spite its face..

People dont buy tickets to see the team play, they buy tickets to see the team win.... It's an old saying... Thats how it is...

those fans buying tickets are mostly just trying to exchange their $$$ for instant-gratification.


and when the teams lose, thats when the true colors behin to fly, people act like their entitled to be jerks if they lose as a method to extract value for their dollars spent..

I agree with Kevin Durants comments about the fan he got fined over

"What kind of grown man comes to a game to heckle another grown man?"


This is why I don't buy any memorbelia, i'm not financially invested. Marketing is one of the many chefs that spoiled Utahs stew.

Call me a jerk, whatever, just don't call me fooled, cuz I never was. Growing up a Knicks fan I observed pretty much all forms of self-sabotage, I can spot this **** quicker than most.
 
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what sucks is that the team looked good last year towards the end they looked like a good team. I have to say it was fools gold, rubio was hitting shots he never hits, he reverted to the absolute mean and we are back to that same atrocious start as last season. I can't really blame DL too much for that because he was damned if he made any changes and damned it he didn't.

also I for one thougbt haywart was extremely overated. I think we should have moved him in 2014 and maybe 2015 while stock was high. Hayward was over hyped to the extreme. I'm just disapointed we still have rubio and somehow thought exum was going to turn a corner.

The roster is weak, you have players who have are good in 1 aspect of the game but have 2-3 huge defects.

rubio: can't shoot. 3rd worst fg% in the NBA.
exum: absolutely terrible offensive player. Gives us nothing but layups and even then he bricks.
gobert: great defense, but this year has looked very average on defense, but also he has 0 offensive moves outside of putbacks or perfectly setup dunks.
favors: an ancient relic in this league.
oneal: hot steaming garbage. just a bad player.
mitchell: our only player who can create
ingles: smart player, streaky, helps the jazz win, but sometimes looks absolute trash, but he's best coming off the bench imo.
crowder: streaky 3 point shooter who can't rebound for the life of him.
burks: Negative IQ player.
neto: trash
niang: who the **** cares

the fact we got to the 2nd round in the playoffs was partly because rubio but also the west had quite a few teams tanking and we got lucky when denver, wolves, spurs, gsw, and other teams had key injuries down the stretch. Can rubio get hot again? i think he used up all his magic dust.

what do you think about our 2 headed monster PG play? rubio and exum?
 
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