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fishonjazz said:
I say again, Conley is missing from most of these posts lineups. And he was our big off season acquisition. That's not good.
Simply put, Conley playing like we expected him to play solves many, if not most, or all of our issues.

In the game that he balled out (the first Kings game iirc) we were up by like 35 for most of the game and won by like 20 plus (iirc)

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I wish Conley could play Mudiay's role (with more minutes of course). Obviously you can't have him coming off the bench. But being out there with some lesser players so he doesn't have to feel bad about not sharing the ball so much. He could just do his thing.


And we all know Locke throws a lot of **** at the wall. But his reasoning for why Conley and Gobert are kind of a weird fit does track. Him on the court with a less typical 5 would be interesting.


Edit: @infection beat me. Totally agree.
 
Mudiay doesn’t run the offense. He scores one on one, but he doesn’t do anything to get his team mates open shots. And his turnovers seem high to me. To me, that’s a point guard’s primary job, run the offense and get your team mates good looks. Things are wide open for Exum to earn some minutes if he can run the offense and get his team mates some good looks. Hell, minutes are there for anybody to run the offense and create for others.

I’d like to see Joe start and Royce go to the bench. And I want to see the Joe that plays for Australia. He was so much more aggressive and confident for them. An absolute wizard for seeing the court and finding the open man.
 
NAOS said:
His absence may have something to do with the fact that our starting group isn’t our big problem. People may be scratching out solutions to our miserable bench production, looking for some new combination with this players.
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I feel ya but I mean the bench is the bench. We have 4 stars on this team imo. If they do what they are expected then we are gonna win almost every time regardless of what Bradley, green, mudiay, Exum, Royce, Ingles etc do. I mean those guys playing well is great and gives the stars room to play subpar. But if you tell me that Rudy will have 17 points, 14 rebounds, and 2 blocks on 70% field goals. Donovan will have 26 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists on 45% shooting. Conley will have 17 points, 6 assists, and 3 rebounds on 44% shooting. And bogey have 20 points 6 rebounds, and 2 assists on 45% shooting. If I were to know those things would happen tonight then I would put all teh money on the jazz to win the game regardless of what any of the other guys do.

We need our stars to play like stars more than anything else.

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Rubio, Mitchell, Ingles, Bojan, Gobert.

With Mudiay, Alec Burks, Crowder, Bazley and Nerlens Noel as the second unit.
 
I would like to see Ex play w/o Mudiay. I like them both as players I just don't see their styles mixing that well to play together. I would like to see exum come in for Mike and let him play with the main guys for a few minutes in the 1st Q. The D would stay top notch and he would have shooting around him. I think a Ingles / Ex pick and roll would be pretty sweet. But that would only work if the opposing team has to stick to all the other guys. So no none shooters such as Mudiay on the floor.
 
I don't get the idea that people want to push Joe to the starting unit... He will be more reluctant to shoot the damn ball if he thinks there are better weapons on the court. The second unit needs passing and creation... Royce ain't really gonna do that. The starting unit aint the problem at all... the bench is and putting an inferior player with that unit won't do much.

The bench unit has a few issues... lack of athleticism if you put Niang or Bradley in and lack of passing if Green and Mudiay are in... I stand by my thinking that one aggressive bench gunner is fine, but when you have two guys like Green and Mudiay that have blinders on its an issue. Then we add in Exum who can't shoot... so you have 2 non-shooters on the wing, 2 guys that aren't passers. We need to separate Green and Mudiay imo… I don't know how you do it though... they both do good things from time to time but they both stop the ball so much that the offense has no flow. Passing and ball hogging are contagious. Anyone that has played knows that if you are out there with guys that aren't moving the ball it is tough to make the right play because you know it ain't coming back to you... I think some of the parts of the bench are fine but together that **** doesn't fit.
 
An entire game where we don't play Niang and Mudiay.

A lineup where Exum does more than just sit in the corner on offense.

Conley, Mitchell, Ingles, Bojan, Gobert to start the game. Not because O'neale is playing bad (I actually like what I've seen from him this year), but because I think Joe needs to play with better players and O'neale would actually be better at offense than Joe with the second unit.
 
Unlike Mudiay, Exum is willing to pass the ball and run multi-action plays. Exum doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time, but he needs the ball in his hands some of the time. Hopefully, he'll get a chance to do that in these upcoming home games.
 
r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
How about Joe in sooner for DM? Joe can play with the starters (minus DM) and then Don can come back in and kill the other team's bench. Joe will have better passing targets and DM can freeze out Mudiay and Green. It's perfect.
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So... I've hated the DM plus bench units because DM watches Green and Mudiay shoot a ton of shots and doesn't really do much. In theory, DM plus the bench should work with Donovan being more aggressive and having the ball in his hands more... but that's not what I see happening with that unit.

I feel strongly that Green and Mudiay together is a tough lineup for anyone else to have success... they aren't passing at all. I would use Joe as the pg in the bench unit and tell Mudiay to operate more as a wing... at very least we know there will be a pass or two before a shot goes up. Even though Mudiay isn't a shooter there is an advantage to getting him the ball with a slight advantage... if Joe can start the blender. I don't have a great answer but moving Joe into the starting lineup isn't the first place I'd start.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So... I've hated the DM plus bench units because DM watches Green and Mudiay shoot a ton of shots and doesn't really do much. In theory, DM plus the bench should work with Donovan being more aggressive and having the ball in his hands more... but that's not what I see happening with that unit.
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Something is wrong when he's rarely deferring to Bojan but then watching Mudiay and Green shoot it.
 
infection said:
Something is wrong when he's rarely deferring to Bojan but then watching Mudiay and Green shoot it.
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It's odd... when I see Green and Mudiay out there gunning and DM standing in the corner I think to myself I hope this is not the game plan.

I think now that Conley has picked things up that DM will start being a little more selective and start moving the ball a bit more... He was excellent in the 4th last night and there seemed to be a great flow/distribution of shots among those 3.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So... I've hated the DM plus bench units because DM watches Green and Mudiay shoot a ton of shots and doesn't really do much. In theory, DM plus the bench should work with Donovan being more aggressive and having the ball in his hands more... but that's not what I see happening with that unit.
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Totally agree. I loved it in theory, but just too many ball stoppers on the court. Mudiay should be a 2 so he doesn’t have the ball by default, because it’s not going anywhere else once he touches it.

Now all we get is missing out on Mitchell playing with our best players. Laws of diminishing returns and all that, but Conley Bogey and Mitchell was so good in the fourth yesterday, and with Gobert anchoring, damn. That’s the stuff I want to see more. And that’s the lineup that is going to need to be crisp as hell come playoff time. Let it gel.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Totally agree. I loved it in theory, but just too many ball stoppers on the court. Mudiay should be a 2 so he doesn’t have the ball by default, because it’s not going anywhere else once he touches it.

Now all we get is missing out on Mitchell playing with our best players. Laws of diminishing returns and all that, but Conley Bogey and Mitchell was so good in the fourth yesterday, and with Gobert anchoring, damn. That’s the stuff I want to see more. And that’s the lineup that is going to need to be crisp as hell come playoff time. Let it gel.
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I think Mudiay is less hoggy than Green, but because of his position he has more opportunity to hog. Here is the conundrum... you really can't bench Green - no real replacement, vet, Conley's bud, seemed to do us a solid by signing for the minimum. Mudiay has played well at times and has showed some improvement benching him might send the wrong message, but it is certainly easier because Exum is now back and he was seen as a reclamation project. I wonder if you put Exum at pg and took Mudiay out of the rotation (say his hamstring is tight) if it would do us some good. Might have to wait until Davis is back, but I think it'd help Exum either get re-introduced or potentially give him a hint of trade value. His salary is the trade ballast we need to make a deal at the deadline. Either way I like the idea of a Exum, DM, Joe, Green, Davis bench unit better than what we are rolling out currently.

To correct the issues we will need to hurt someone's feelings. There doesn't seem to be a good or easy answer.
 
infection said:
Hurt all of their feelings. Look at my signature.
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You are hurting feelings of people not really in the rotation... I'm saying cut Mudiay's minutes or move Green... its different. When Exum dies again you may need Mudiay.

If we figured out backup center, Bogut, Noah... then you could use Davis' deal as additional salary fodder in a trade. It may piss someone off and Davis and Conley are bros. While I don't think there will be many buyout candidates I do think there will be some interesting trade candidates... Carroll isn't playing in San Antonio and has a mid-size long term deal... Young may not be long for Chicago and has a larger deal... Gay in San Antonio, but that might be like a super version of Jeff Green so maybe budget version is fine.

IDK but those bench units are just playing unwatchable basketball.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
You are hurting feelings of people not really in the rotation... I'm saying cut Mudiay's minutes or move Green... its different. When Exum dies again you may need Mudiay.

If we figured out backup center, Bogut, Noah... then you could use Davis' deal as additional salary fodder in a trade. It may piss someone off and Davis and Conley are bros. While I don't think there will be many buyout candidates I do think there will be some interesting trade candidates... Carroll isn't playing in San Antonio and has a mid-size long term deal... Young may not be long for Chicago and has a larger deal... Gay in San Antonio, but that might be like a super version of Jeff Green so maybe budget version is fine.

IDK but those bench units are just playing unwatchable basketball.
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If we got Gay, then all we'd need is Giuliani to complete the trifecta. He could play small ball 1 in practice.
 
I think we're going to need to start subbing another starter out early along with Donovan so that we can have two starters playing with the second unit instead of just one, like we did last year with Ingles and Favors. I'd like to see a lineup of Exum/Mitchell/Ingles/Bogey/Bradley, then replace Bradley with Davis once he gets back.
 
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