Lock Her Up?

[The Thriller]

There's a lot of evidence to show the corruption of the Clintons. Just google info about the Clinton Foundation, which is the business she was doing on her private server. In Arkansas, from the Mena arms for cocaine episode to Whitewater (Starr was in collusion with the Clintons) and other enrichment schemes, the Clinton have been deep into corruption. But the latest was the control she had over the Dem Presidential primary and the lies and fraud created during the primary, which involved the murder of at least one whistleblower, Seth Rich.

Mena arms? Cocaine? Is this Starr in collusion the same Ken Starr the special prosecutor responsible for Clinton being impeached?

What about the pizza restaurant that held children prostitutes? And how much do you think Hillary paid to knock off Seth Rich? And was it to cover up Benghazi?

 

[Getting Traded]

Mena arms? Cocaine? Is this Starr in collusion the same Ken Starr the special prosecutor responsible for Clinton being impeached?

What about the pizza restaurant that held children prostitutes? And how much do you think Hillary paid to knock off Seth Rich? And was it to cover up Benghazi?

Yes, the CIA was running guns to the contras in Honduras that were manufactured in Arkansas and bringing back cocaine as payment. They had an airport built in Mena. Some kids who witnessed the operation were allegedly found dead after being hit by a train, and others who knew them died mysteriously. The Rose law firm, of which Hillary was a partner laundered the money that was received for the drugs. There is a film produced by one of the pilots who was hired by the CIA to transport the guns and bring back the cocaine, which provides the details of this story, and the mother of the kids who were found dead is one of the persons interviewed.

Yes, Ken Starr. He prevented the investigation from implicating the Clintons; he also was the investigator in the murder of Vince Foster. Yes, Foster was murdered; he did not commit suicide. Foster was Hillary's associate at the Rose law firm and the Clintons' personal lawyer. It has been suggested that he and Hillary were lovers, which would not be surprising since Bill and Hillary's marriage was one of political convenience, given that Bill was bedding a different woman every weekend when he was governor (based on the testimony of Arkansas state troopers who were Bill's bodyguards). Did you ever see the Clinton Chronicles, which was produced by people who were the Clintons' close associates in Arkansas?

 

[The Thriller]

Yes, the CIA was running guns to the contras in Honduras that were manufactured in Arkansas and bringing back cocaine as payment. They had an airport built in Mena. Some kids who witnessed the operation were allegedly found dead after being hit by a train, and others who knew them died mysteriously. The Rose law firm, of which Hillary was a partner laundered the money that was received for the drugs. There is a film produced by one of the pilots who was hired by the CIA to transport the guns and bring back the cocaine, which provides the details of this story, and the mother of the kids who were found dead is one of the person's interviewed.

Yes, Ken Starr. He prevented the investigation from implicating the Clintons; he also was the investigator in the murder of Vince Foster. Yes, Foster was murdered; he did not commit suicide. Foster was Hillary's associate at the Rose law firm and the Clintons' personal lawyer. It has been suggested that he and Hillary were lovers, which would not be surprising since Bill and Hillary's marriage was one of political convenience, given that Bill was bedding a different woman every weekend when he was governor (based on the testimony of Arkansas state troopers who were Bill's bodyguards). Did you ever see the Clinton Chronicles, which was produced by people who were the Clintons' close associates in Arkansas?

Tell me more about Vince Foster. Did bill have him killed because he was porking Hillary? And what about Seth rich? Did he just know too much about Hillary planning Benghazi so she could have the ambassador killed off so he couldn’t reveal her laundering weapons in Libya or was Rich killed because of Hillary’s prostitution ring? It really is frustrating that the MSM isn’t reporting these things. The Clintons are just surrounded by death. Yet, we continue to focus so much on no names like Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, and Patriot Michael Flynn.

 

[Getting Traded]

Tell me more about Vince Foster. Did bill have him killed because he was porking Hillary? And what about Seth rich? Did he just know too much about Hillary planning Benghazi so she could have the ambassador killed off so he couldn’t reveal her laundering weapons in Libya or was Rich killed because of Hillary’s prostitution ring? It really is frustrating that the MSM isn’t reporting these things. The Clintons are just surrounded by death. Yet, we continue to focus so much on no names like Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, and Patriot Michael Flynn.

Of course not. Bill stopped porking Hillary 25 years ago (probably much longer because he was governor more than 30 years ago). Seth Rich knew about the fraud going on during the primaries and he was the Wikileaks informant. Yes, the Clintons are surrounded by death. People who get too close to them and find out about their corruption are in jeopardy. They are probably the most corrupt politicians of our time, more corrupt than Johnson or Nixon. The Bushes, well, Daddy was in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, as part of the CIA team that controlled the situation that day. His father was one of the founders of the OSS, the forerunner of the CIA. Our government is so corrupt; why do you think the Kennedys were killed? Both Ike and Truman gave warnings about this after they left office. The Kennedys wanted to clean up the mess. But as you see their reputation has been completely sullied by so much disinformation. Were they perfect? No, but they did have the right intentions and they did believe in making our country great by living up to its ideals, not like the a-hole in office now.

 

[The Thriller]

Of course not. Bill stopped porking Hillary 25 years ago. Seth Rich knew about the fraud going on during the primaries and he was the Wikileaks informant. Yes, the Clintons are surrounded by death. People who get too close to them and find out about their corruption are in jeopardy. They are probably the most corrupt politicians of our time, more corrupt than Johnson or Nixon. The Bushes, well, Daddy was in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, as part of the CIA team that controlled the situation that day. His father was one of the founders of the OSS, the forerunner of the CIA. Our government is so corrupt; why do you think the Kennedys were killed? Both Ike and Truman gave warnings about this after they left office. The Kennedys wanted to clean up the mess. But as you see their reputation has been completely sullied by so much disinformation. Were they perfect? No, but they did have the right intentions and they did believe in making our country great by living up to its ideals, not like the a-hole in office now.

Interesting. So you think Bush 41 organized/carried out Kennedy's assassination? But what would that make Lee Harvey Oswald? Was he part of the OSS? Or were there multiple OSS officers involved? Why isn’t the MSM reporting these things?

Are you sure Seth Rich was killed because he was a Wikileaks informant? He was killed in July of 2016. By that time Russians (Fancy Bear) had already hacked the DNC’s servers in March 2015 and had John Podestas emails in March 2016.

So there must’ve been another reason that Seth was killed by Hillary. Was it the pizza restaurant sex ring scheme being exposed? Could it have been an affair gone wrong? Or did Obama order it to try and frame someone? And I must wonder what George Soros’ role was in all of this? You know as well as I that this totally has the mark of Soros. Maybe he paid for the hit?

Why isn’t the MSM reporting these things???

 

[Red]

But the latest was the control she had over the Dem Presidential primary and the lies and fraud created during the primary, which involved the murder of at least one whistleblower, Seth Rich.

This appears to be one of the more reprehensible conspiracy theories driven by Fox, and Hannity in particular. Certainly did not do Rich's family any good. Fox has served as the incubation chamber for quite a few baseless conspiracy theories in recent years. The truth is the one major news outlet that Trump does not single out as promoters of "fake news" is the one news outlet most responsible for "fake news". Just one crackpot conspiracy theory after another in recent years. It's a weak mind that allows itself to be taken in by garbage of this sort. Yet millions apparently have been unable to use the discriminating faculty of their intellect to see through this nonsense. I suppose it provides some sort of comfort to believe one has things figured out by embracing these conspiracy theories, but it is a form of surrender of one's critical thinking faculties. What a shame...

https://www.vox.com/2018/3/23/17129414/seth-rich-fox-news-lawsuit-conspiracy-theories

 

[One Brow]

The last few posts of this thread are almost cruel.

 

[Getting Traded]

The last few posts of this thread are almost cruel.

I can take care of myself, Eric

First of all, Mr. Red, it is a weak mind who swallows b.s. put out by the CIA and intelligence apparatus. And Thriller, you are out of your league in commenting on this subject to me.

I did know of Guccifer, the Russian hacker -- in fact, I have the files that he made public, saved on my computer; you want me to send them to you? -- and Hannity wasn't the source of Seth Rich being the informant -- Julian Assange was the source. He intimated so in an interview with a Dutch news reporter. Seth's murder was an act of retribution; he was shot in the back and nothing was taken from him. It was also reported by an Assange associate that he met in DC with Rich, who gave the information to him on a computer drive (flash drive, I assume).

Bush 41 was not a major operative in JFK's assassination, but one of many CIA agents who were on the scene, managing the operation. In fact, the proof is in the pudding. Recent declassified documents released by the Trump administration show that Bush 41 was staying in a Dallas hotel the day of the assassination. Bush 41 was involved in oil drilling in the Gulf at that time while in the CIA and supplied support to the Bay of Pigs operation. I have literally read 100's if not more books about the assassination, have spoken personally with Bob Groden, David Lifton, and Doug Horne -- if you know anything about the assassination then you should know who they are -- and have written a couple of articles about it, way back when. I have studied it thoroughly.

 

[Gameface]

 

[Red]

First of all, Mr. Red, it is a weak mind who swallows b.s. put out by the CIA and intelligence apparatus.

Fair enough, Eenie-Meenie, maybe I had that dig coming. Here's what my weak mind chooses to believe. It makes much more sense to me, and I'll let it go at that.

(The text at this NPR link is different then the audio report):



https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...-conspiracy-theory-explained-fox-news-hannity

Bush 41 was not a major operative in JFK's assassination, but one of many CIA agents who were on the scene, managing the operation

Yes, if you were alive and of age, you remember where you were when you learned that JFK had been killed. I certainly do. I don't know if Oswald was the only shooter that day, or not. But most Americans who lived through that time do believe a conspiracy was involved. I lean that way myself, in general, not up to speed on the Bush 41 angle, I bet I'd doubt that one, but the JFK murder is one of the few conspiracy theories of the modern era that I don't dismiss. I might throw the RFK murder in there too. I've read about it quite a bit myself, but not to the extent some have.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Having had a top secret clearance for 30 years and having worked in the state department as well as the military, I can tell you know nothing but what the media tells you. It's not what you think it is. balh blah im idiot blah blah. i knpow better then comey and fbi blah blah derp blah blah dutch is stoppid. depr derp blah blah

I leave you with this then!






WOW YOU LOOK STUPID NOW DONT YOU!

checkmate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[babe]

And for anyone who's concerned... Hillary is being actively investigated for the emails and for Uranium One

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/20/politics/donald-trump-don-mcgahn-clinton-comey/index.html

So the acting AG and a supportive White House are going to get to the bottom of the allegations.

Let's just say that if those of you who "know" she's guilty (lookin' at you lyin' @babe) well if you think you know how to gather evidence and it's all there for the finding, then I suppose we'll see charges brought against her.

And if she is guilty I hope she gets charged, convicted and spends the rest of her life in prison.

If she doesn't get charged, well, it'll be because there is no evidence of a crime and for all your BS about knowing things that you don't and can't know, you were just being dishonest. Dishonest with yourself first, and then with us.

You don't know me, what I know or what I can know.

This forum is not a court of law, and I don't think you're a good judge, or even a decent conversationalist. But what do I know. I don't even want to know you.

Donald Trump contributed maybe over a hundred thousand dollars to the Clintons in the "line" of his duty to our establishment movers and shakers or whatever he thought he needed to do to get along with them. He called them and told them before he publicly announced his running for Pres......yes, maybe I don't know that, but it was out in the webz somehow, and he's never tried to refute it. He was bein' a good ol' boy.

I believe DJT told AG Sessions not to go after Hillary. imo, he thought that would be divisive, and he hoped the schtick about Resistance would just sink into the Washington boggy bottoms somehow. I believe it's other Republicans who have carried that torch.... but yes, if The Resistance really won't fade out, he might put the pressure on Hillary a bit. I have heard that she's planning to run for Pres again starting about now, so I'm sure there are some folks maybe even Trump now who will talk about that some more.

If things work out per usual politics, I don't think anything will be "proven" or settled. Whatever you see in the news is gonna just be political. Not factual.

I think jails are generally a waste of time, a waste of human beings, and a waste of taxpayer funds. I have never been a big "Lock Her Up" enthusiast. I do think we need to keep politicians on a short lease, and that breaking the law should end their public careers. I believe that without her medical support team, she'd be rolling around some WalMart SuperCenter in her fancy little motorized wheelchair, waiting for a cabbie to find her and take her home. God only knows where Bill would be.

And, no, I don't believe you care whether she did break laws, cause our spies to be caught, our soldiers killed, or our national politics prostituted. It's the brave new world you care for and love.

 

[Getting Traded]

Fair enough, Eenie-Meenie, maybe I had that dig coming. Here's what my weak mind chooses to believe. It makes much more sense to me, and I'll let it go at that.

(The text at this NPR link is different then the audio report):



https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...-conspiracy-theory-explained-fox-news-hannity



Yes, if you were alive and of age, you remember where you were when you learned that JFK had been killed. I certainly do. I don't know if Oswald was the only shooter that day, or not. But most Americans who lived through that time do believe a conspiracy was involved. I lean that way myself, in general, not up to speed on the Bush 41 angle, I bet I'd doubt that one, but the JFK murder is one of the few conspiracy theories of the modern era that I don't dismiss. I might throw the RFK murder in there too. I've read about it quite a bit myself, but not to the extent some have.

I was in high school that day, in chemistry class.

You're right about RFK, but I guess you don't believe it's significant that Bush 41 was staying in Dallas that day. It is pretty much a consensus view that Bush 41 was already in the CIA in 1963, and even earlier as his ships which were part of his oil drilling company were alerted to support the Bay of Pigs operation, which as you know was a dismal failure. If you read Howard Hunt's "Give Us This Day," you will learn how much the CIA hated JFK after the Bay of Pigs. The CIA, wrote Hunt who helped orchestrate the Bay of Pigs, blamed JFK for failing to allow a second flight over Cuba of CIA B-25 bombers to wipe out the Cuban Air Force, which the first flight failed to do. Kennedy, however, blamed the CIA, and fired Dulles, Cabell, and Bissell, the top three CIA officials. Dulles as you probably recall was on the Warren Commission.

How many shooters, no one is sure, but there were multiple shooters. Some sources claim as many as seven.

 

[babe]

I find E-M's comments surprising, from the context of my impressions of his views in times past. I have never read through the JFK/RFK assassination books or much of the speculative theories..... not much.... just enough to be aware that there are some varied offerings.

I was pretty sure it was not a good day for us. I was pretty sure someone did it for more than marginal personal animosities.... it had to be a paid professional.....it was an informed and planned act that required more information than any ordinary citizen or foreign agent could have..... time, route, access, equipment. No, I didn't know anything, actually. I just didn't think it was an easy thing to do. I had already become a skeptic of newspapers and TV news.

I've been thinking of doing a conspiracy-theory thread along the lines of an analytical scientist/scholar's ideas of what it would take to actually stage a public event for mass public management purposes.... how to manage the personnel, how to limit the information that could be found out if investigated..... sorta like what it would take to do something significant, without being found out.

a lot of the fare available in the line of "conspiracy theories" are so speculative, and so misinformed, I wonder if there is not some kind of organized political agenda behind launching them and maintaining them as tools for misdirecting the common folk.....

bouncing balls thrown out to keep us from seeing what is really being done.....

One thing I am curious about is the allegation that the CIA under Dulles invented the "conspiracy theory" slur as a public management tool for keeping us afraid to talk about stuff that just doesn't make sense in our public/government life. Like why we would bring former Nazi scientists here and give them jobs building our military equipment..... planes, rockets, bombs....

My father worked in an industry full of them. I worked for at least one myself, years ago..... when I first got a job.

 

[The Thriller]

And Thriller, you are out of your league in commenting on this subject to me.

You couldn't be more right! I am clearly out of my league when commenting about how the CIA and Bush assassinated Kennedy and how Seth Rich was assassinated to cover up Hillary's dirty laundry.

 

[Getting Traded]

You couldn't be more right! I am clearly out of my league when commenting about how the CIA and Bush assassinated Kennedy and how Seth Rich was assassinated to cover up Hillary's dirty laundry.

Bush DID NOT assassinate JFK. He was simply a small part of a large-scale CIA managed operation. And so far as Rich, Assange as much admitted he was his informant; listen to what he says, not the media, because it's coming from the horse's mouth. The Russian collusion with Trump is disinformation.

 

[Getting Traded]

I find E-M's comments surprising, from the context of my impressions of his views in times past. I have never read through the JFK/RFK assassination books or much of the speculative theories..... not much.... just enough to be aware that there are some varied offerings.

I was pretty sure it was not a good day for us. I was pretty sure someone did it for more than marginal personal animosities.... it had to be a paid professional.....it was an informed and planned act that required more information than any ordinary citizen or foreign agent could have..... time, route, access, equipment. No, I didn't know anything, actually. I just didn't think it was an easy thing to do. I had already become a skeptic of newspapers and TV news.

I've been thinking of doing a conspiracy-theory thread along the lines of an analytical scientist/scholar's ideas of what it would take to actually stage a public event for mass public management purposes.... how to manage the personnel, how to limit the information that could be found out if investigated..... sorta like what it would take to do something significant, without being found out.

a lot of the fare available in the line of "conspiracy theories" are so speculative, and so misinformed, I wonder if there is not some kind of organized political agenda behind launching them and maintaining them as tools for misdirecting the common folk.....

bouncing balls thrown out to keep us from seeing what is really being done.....

One thing I am curious about is the allegation that the CIA under Dulles invented the "conspiracy theory" slur as a public management tool for keeping us afraid to talk about stuff that just doesn't make sense in our public/government life. Like why we would bring former Nazi scientists here and give them jobs building our military equipment..... planes, rockets, bombs....

My father worked in an industry full of them. I worked for at least one myself, years ago..... when I first got a job.

You're right about the Germans. In fact, the Dulles brothers worked for the law firm Sullivan & Cromwell which had close ties to Germany and they were responsible for the pardoning of many high-level Nazis like Wernher Von Braun, though I don't know how culpable Von Braun was or if he had anything to do with the Holocaust.

 

[The Thriller]

Bush DID NOT assassinate JFK. He was simply a small part of a large-scale CIA managed operation. And so far as Rich, Assange as much admitted he was his informant; listen to what he says, not the media, because it's coming from the horse's mouth. The Russian collusion with Trump is disinformation.

 

[The Thriller]

You're right about the Germans. In fact, the Dulles brothers worked for the law firm Sullivan & Cromwell which had close ties to Germany and they were responsible for the pardoning of many high-level Nazis like Wernher Von Braun, though I don't know how culpable Von Braun was or if he had anything to do with the Holocaust.

I thought your ilk didn’t believe in the Holocaust?

 

[The Thriller]

I was in high school that day, in chemistry class.

You're right about RFK, but I guess you don't believe it's significant that Bush 41 was staying in Dallas that day. It is pretty much a consensus view that Bush 41 was already in the CIA in 1963, and even earlier as his ships which were part of his oil drilling company were alerted to support the Bay of Pigs operation, which as you know was a dismal failure. If you read Howard Hunt's "Give Us This Day," you will learn how much the CIA hated JFK after the Bay of Pigs. The CIA, wrote Hunt who helped orchestrate the Bay of Pigs, blamed JFK for failing to allow a second flight over Cuba of CIA B-25 bombers to wipe out the Cuban Air Force, which the first flight failed to do. Kennedy, however, blamed the CIA, and fired Dulles, Cabell, and Bissell, the top three CIA officials. Dulles as you probably recall was on the Warren Commission.

How many shooters, no one is sure, but there were multiple shooters. Some sources claim as many as seven.

Wait. Howard Hunt. Where have I heard that name before? I recently finished reading “Nixon: A Life.” Your Howard Hunt wouldn’t be Thee Howard Hunt, one of Nixon’s plumbers? You know, the fine outstanding former cia officer who was a known crackpot even within the Nixon administration (He and Liddy were Nixon’s Beavis and Butthead). Hunt, if I remember correctly, had a fetish with knives and disguises so much that th CIA got rid of him. Hunt was dirty enough to break into Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrists office to try and smear Ellsberg. Hunt was later one of the plumbers arrested at Watergate. Fine character.

Oh yes, definitely. Let’s trust this dirt bag. Very credible.

Again, this is why you can’t trust morons like Eenie, Babe, and Dutch. They take the worst information from the worst sources and then whine about how few believe them and how the rest of us have been brainwashed into believing in facts rather than their crackpot conspiracies.