Locker room clean out day the 2014 edition

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

So how are the young guys going to every have chemistry if you keep bringing in veteran guys? So if we bring in a veteran guy how are the young guys going to establish leadership? Jazz have a lot of young talent do just give up on it and bring in retreads or even decent vets. So if the Jazz get either Parker or Wiggins are they going to need to "earn" their minutes while we watch some "vet" put up average numbers. There is no reason to bring in vets until you establish the Core of your team. You don't rebuild in one year. Not if you are going to do this the right way.

The Jazz need to address the coaching
Then the draft
Then sign there own free agents
Then if there is any vet that would compliment the team and strengthen the bench then you make a deal.
Summer league - coach instills new system and then camp they emphasize a more uptempo game and DEFENSE.

Stoked this is why I'm such a damned ***-hole these days, because of these damned stupid retarded comments. People are getting dumber by the day!!

If you want no vets... Fine, we can be the Clips of the last 25 ****ing years! Congrats cowhide. If Cowhide gets his way, the jazz will be in rebuild mode for the next ten damned bloody years, then another 5-10 years to become contenders.

Every team needs a mix of young talented players mixed in with talented vets, and vets and youngs that play specific roles. If Parker Or Wiggind or Embiid can't rise up in the with the vets, then they really aren't that good. That's what separates the stars from the good from the average players.

I don't know Stoked, maybe your fine with all these crap posters, but I'm not, and will continue to voice these opinions. So sick of people hating on vets because they weren't drafted by this team or because they've played more then 5-7 years in the league. Some here post as if vets are poison. Stop blaming the vets, and start Blaming the bloody coach!

Seems as if the trolls outnumber the posters that actually know what's going on.

 

[Stoked]

Stoked this is why I'm such a damned ***-hole these days, because of these damned stupid retarded comments. People are getting dumber by the day!!

If you want no vets... Fine, we can be the Clips of the last 25 ****ing years! Congrats cowhide. If Cowhide gets his way, the jazz will be in rebuild mode for the next ten damned bloody years, then another 5-10 years to become contenders.

Every team needs a mix of young talented players mixed in with talented vets, and vets and youngs that play specific roles. If Parker Or Wiggind or Embiid can't rise up in the with the vets, then they really aren't that good. That's what separates the stars from the good from the average players.

I don't know Stoked, maybe your fine with all these crap posters, but I'm not, and will continue to voice these opinions. So sick of people hating on vets because they weren't drafted by this team or because they've played more then 5-7 years in the league. Some here post as if vets are poison. Stop blaming the vets, and start Blaming the bloody coach!

Seems as if the trolls outnumber the posters that actually know what's going on.

I see the hatred of vets as hating the symptoms of a disease. It is not the vets fault that they play so much. I agree that some vets are needed on the team.

It just seems that you are much angrier lately Thee Jazz Fan. Stop letting them get to you.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I see the hatred of vets as hating the symptoms of a disease. It is not the vets fault that they play so much. I agree that some vets are needed on the team.

It just seems that you are much angrier lately Thee Jazz Fan. Stop letting them get to you.

Every man has his breaking point Stoked. I went from posting over 10 times a day to my average of 6 today, because the the trolls and idiots run the damned asylum. It's like toys r us in here. We get some of the dumbest most childishly stupid comments in here that there's less and less to comment on.

 

[homeytennis]

I see the hatred of vets as hating the symptoms of a disease. It is not the vets fault that they play so much. I agree that some vets are needed on the team.

It just seems that you are much angrier lately Thee Jazz Fan. Stop letting them get to you.

Locke touched on this the last couple of days that the Jazz tended to play better up tempo than then Trey walked the ball up the court and set a play. A lot of that you can put on the coaching staff. Hopefully DL puts Ty out of his misery and they start to hire a new coach.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I see the hatred of vets as hating the symptoms of a disease. It is not the vets fault that they play so much. I agree that some vets are needed on the team.

It just seems that you are much angrier lately Thee Jazz Fan. Stop letting them get to you.

That's because jazzfanz isn't what it used to be. The idiots are infecting everything.

 

[Stoked]

That's because jazzfanz isn't what it used to be. The idiots are infecting everything.

I can understand that. But why not work to make it better. You are not the first to voice that opinion btw.

But it's all good. Stick around because you make the board better.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I can understand that. But why not work to make it better. You are not the first to voice that opinion btw.

But it's all good. Stick around because you make the board better.

I'm not going anywhere.


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[addictionary]

From these interviews, we see what most of Jazz fans wanted was completely accurate.

That was exactly what I thought as well.

It's like, Kanter has an account in here named Sexual Favors.

To be honest I am loving what I am hearing. Can see some fire in Kanter, Hayward, Burks and Favors. Burke has been firey all season with his tweets and jabs at the pro tanking crowd.

Good boys. Be pissed about this year, be mad. Feed it all summer long. Hit the weights and court with those thoughts and images in your head. Use that to fuel you to get better and tighter as a group. Come back next year in shape, improved, hungry and with a chip on your shoulder. Time to put some attitude back into the Jazz and the arena.

Now the real work begins.

GO JAZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I were a Jazz player, I would immediately hit the gym after reading this.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

That's because jazzfanz isn't what it used to be. The idiots are infecting everything.

Meh. We've been seeing the same comment on this site for 10 years. Probably always been true to a large extent, but also overly dramatic. JF trudges on in spite of it.

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[fishonjazz]

because the the trolls and idiots run the damned asylum. It's like toys r us in here. We get some of the dumbest most childishly stupid comments in here that there's less and less to comment on.

I only hope i can be this mature someday

 

[Stifle Tower]

So how are the young guys going to every have chemistry if you keep bringing in veteran guys? So if we bring in a veteran guy how are the young guys going to establish leadership? Jazz have a lot of young talent do just give up on it and bring in retreads or even decent vets. So if the Jazz get either Parker or Wiggins are they going to need to "earn" their minutes while we watch some "vet" put up average numbers. There is no reason to bring in vets until you establish the Core of your team. You don't rebuild in one year. Not if you are going to do this the right way.

The Jazz need to address the coaching
Then the draft
Then sign there own free agents
Then if there is any vet that would compliment the team and strengthen the bench then you make a deal.
Summer league - coach instills new system and then camp they emphasize a more uptempo game and DEFENSE.

I agree with your timeline in terms of the coaching and draft. Yes, those come first. Jazz can't even start negotiating with FA's until July 1. As for our own FA's, those negotiations, especially with Hayward, could extend for quite some time. So you don't just put everything else on hold. And the same with Marvin. He wants to return, but maybe not at what the Jazz may offer (which has to be a pay cut). He may then decide to shop around a bit before deciding Utah is (or is not the best situation).

My second point is that I'm not entirely sure Burks and Kanter should move into the starting lineup. I like Alec coming off the bench (as long as he plays 30 mins). And Enes needs to earn his time with better defense. So if Lindsey can find vets - and I'm not talking RJ-type guys - but if he can find a vet that is starting quality (mid-20's with upside like KOC found in Boozer and Okur), then make an offer. Or maybe the vet replaces Alec as a 6th man.

Jazz need a solid core of 8-9 players for their rotation (3-4 bigs, 3 wings, 2 PG's). I think they have 6 (core-5 + Gobert) and the draft should bring one more. The #23 pick, the early 2nd and Neto may or may not pan out as backups. If they do, and if a FA is signed, then Lindsey has assets to upgrade where needed going forward. Maybe he shops Burke + assets for a better PG. Maybe one of the bigs is moved. Eventually the Jazz need to trade some of their mid-level talent + assets for a potential all-star. Otherwise, Utah treads water as a playoff team but never a contender.

 

[addictionary]

I can understand that. But why not work to make it better. You are not the first to voice that opinion btw.

But it's all good. Stick around because you make the board better.

Oh that is so mod of you.


Kidding.

Seriously though, I've never seen so many insults and profanity just because some other guys don't like to see veteran players take playing time in the rotation as starters instead of the much anticipated young talents. What's wrong with desiring to see the lottery picks play together? And seriously, what percentage of those people that unleashed this forum to hell really thinks it's veterans' fault. Concrete example: I always loved RJ and MW since I knew them and love watching'em. RJ since Nets and MW since joining Jazz.

 

[jope]

That's because jazzfanz isn't what it used to be. The idiots are infecting everything.

I think The quality of this forum is directly related to the contendership of the team. Only once we make it at least back to the status of the dwill booz teams will the content and posting recover.

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[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I think The quality of this forum is directly related to the contendership of the team. Only once we make it at least back to the status of the dwill booz teams will the content and posting recover.

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So what your saying is we, thanks to John, Karl, Sloan, and D-Will, we have no idea how to handle losing? I'll take it.


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[Stoked]

So what your saying is we, thanks to John, Karl, Sloan, and D-Will, we have no idea how to handle losing? I'll take it.


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So will I. This fanbase demands better, aside form this year, because the Jazz can deliver better.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Oh that is so mod of you.


Kidding.

Seriously though, I've never seen so many insults and profanity just because some other guys don't like to see veteran players take playing time in the rotation as starters instead of the much anticipated young talents. What's wrong with desiring to see the lottery picks play together? And seriously, what percentage of those people that unleashed this forum to hell really thinks it's veterans' fault. Concrete example: I always loved RJ and MW since I knew them and love watching'em. RJ since Nets and MW since joining Jazz.

I had zero problems with RJ and Marv. In fact, RJ was the best Jazz-vet over the last 5 years (or so), and I really think that he probably left a plethora of good advice with some of the young guys.

Also, I definitely want Marv to return. I think that he feels the same, and it makes me glad.

 

[addictionary]

I had zero problems with RJ and Marv. In fact, RJ was the best Jazz-vet over the last 5 years (or so), and I really think that he probably left a plethora of good advice with some of the young guys.

Also, I definitely want Marv to return. I think that he feels the same, and it makes me glad.

He declared his interest in it. If only it was for the players' interest to set things. But he is the closest player since Favors to say I'm happy here. At least now that Kanter starting talking anything negative since he came.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I had zero problems with RJ and Marv. In fact, RJ was the best Jazz-vet over the last 5 years (or so), and I really think that he probably left a plethora of good advice with some of the young guys.

Also, I definitely want Marv to return. I think that he feels the same, and it makes me glad.

Agree. Just think if we had both RJ and Marv on the bench of the 97-98 teams.


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[cowhide]

I agree with your timeline in terms of the coaching and draft. Yes, those come first. Jazz can't even start negotiating with FA's until July 1. As for our own FA's, those negotiations, especially with Hayward, could extend for quite some time. So you don't just put everything else on hold. And the same with Marvin. He wants to return, but maybe not at what the Jazz may offer (which has to be a pay cut). He may then decide to shop around a bit before deciding Utah is (or is not the best situation).

My second point is that I'm not entirely sure Burks and Kanter should move into the starting lineup. I like Alec coming off the bench (as long as he plays 30 mins). And Enes needs to earn his time with better defense. So if Lindsey can find vets - and I'm not talking RJ-type guys - but if he can find a vet that is starting quality (mid-20's with upside like KOC found in Boozer and Okur), then make an offer. Or maybe the vet replaces Alec as a 6th man.

Jazz need a solid core of 8-9 players for their rotation (3-4 bigs, 3 wings, 2 PG's). I think they have 6 (core-5 + Gobert) and the draft should bring one more. The #23 pick, the early 2nd and Neto may or may not pan out as backups. If they do, and if a FA is signed, then Lindsey has assets to upgrade where needed going forward. Maybe he shops Burke + assets for a better PG. Maybe one of the bigs is moved. Eventually the Jazz need to trade some of their mid-level talent + assets for a potential all-star. Otherwise, Utah treads water as a playoff team but never a contender.

You don't have to wait on your own FAs, July 1 you can make an offer or wait until your player brings you an offer sheet. The time frame for making a decision to match the offer is shorter than it use to be. I think it is about 3 days now. I could be wrong but that is how I remember it being. Why does Kanter have to prove that he is a starter and no one else does. The only way the Core is going to get better is to play together and be coached through their mistakes. All players need to be held accountable but adding a good player doesn't help the young guys get better. I know there will be growing pains but if we just bring in another vet to take away playing time then we should have just kept Millsap or AJ.

I really believe that if the Jazz get the right defensive coach the team will improve. Look at Jefferson in Charlotte as an example.

Jazz need a backup PG - This may or may not be Neto or Garrett.
Jazz need a starting SG - This is either Alec or Hayward or our draft pick.
Jazz need a starting SF - If Hayward leaves the team or he is move to SG because we drafted a SF.
Jazz have two strong candidates at PF - Kanter and Favors have it covered
Jazz have no real centers that are ready to start so Kanter and Favors are the best option to play center. This could change if we draft Embiid or if Gobert comes back and is ready to play. I think worse scenario is that Gobert is our backup.

The bench is the real issue at this point - I still believe Evans can play 15 -20 minutes a night and contribute most nights. Now if we keep Alec on the bench then he is our go to guy. Gobert goes in and replaces either Kanter or Favors depending on who needs rest. Now we need some help off the bench so either we re-sign Marvin at a reasonable price or get another shooter that can play the three or two or be a stretch four. The 23rd pick at this point we don't know what it will be and if it will be able to contribute at all.

FA is tough because the Jazz are never the priority so the Jazz tend to overpay a little which isn't what we want to do next year. We are going to have both Kanter and Alec come up for new contracts so I want to keep as much room as possible for them. I am not against bringing in a vet or re-signing Marvin but it has to be with the understanding that this vet is not going to start over one of the Core5. It is easy to say the Jazz should trade their mid-level talent for an all-star but it is harder to do. You make adjustments as your team starts to win right now the Kanter's and Burks etc don't have as much market value as they most likely will have if they keep on improving. I agree that the Jazz might have to get rid of one or two simply because they can't afford everyone but you can't just think some team is going to give you an all-star for guys with potential and little experience especially if you bring in other vets who will take time away from them.

You know how you can get rid of these "mid-level" talents not play them and they will be out of SLC as soon as their contracts expire.