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Lockout and Draft Questions

Archie Moses

Archie Moses

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What happens if the whole '11-'12 season is locked out? Will there still be a draft? How would the draft order work? Is it possible the lockout could last longer than a year?


LMGTFY, Archie!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmVxkbiikaQ
 
We've heard stories of mirroring what the NHL did. Also heard everyone will be 'even' with an equal number of ping pong balls. I'm seeing the NHL as the most likely scenario. And, yes, feel free to Google that, lol.
 
I think the NHL-system that is a little more weighted for recent success makes the most sense (four balls instead of three with the extra ball being strictly representative of the last season played). I swear that thought isn't homer-driven.
 
how about an auction? that would becool...2.5 million a year at once...,2.5 million a year at twice,sold it to the GM at the left corner.
 
No link, but have heard some recent rumblings that the lockout will end sooner than most are anticipating. Sorry to be vague, but all I'll say is it's a decent source.
 
If there is no season, why not just cancel the draft? I'd be all for this. There's been talks of increasing the age limit for a while now, so if they're going to do it, I say do it now and push back all the traded draft picks by one year. So the Jazz would now own GS's 2013 1st rounder.
 
They're not going to cancel the draft, there is an entire class of basketball players waiting to come out. And then you think they're going to combine them with the next year? Everybody will tank.

Plus, they're going to miss out on the revenue the draft creates? No.

NHL system is most likely, and that also means the Cavs are going to be rebuilt pretty ****ing fast.

- Craig
 
Craig K. Manscill said:
They're not going to cancel the draft, there is an entire class of basketball players waiting to come out. And then you think they're going to combine them with the next year? Everybody will tank.

Plus, they're going to miss out on the revenue the draft creates? No.

NHL system is most likely, and that also means the Cavs are going to be rebuilt pretty ****ing fast.

- Craig
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Name me one senior that a team would tank for.
 
I'm just saying if there isn't a season and a new CBA comes out before the 2012 draft changing the age limit requirements, I'd be totally fine with them canceling the draft. The other scenario would be they change the rule, have the draft, and we miss out on the stud freshman class that's coming.
 
PKM said:
No link, but have heard some recent rumblings that the lockout will end sooner than most are anticipating. Sorry to be vague, but all I'll say is it's a decent source.
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Do you know David Stern? Why is a guy as connected as you slimming around on Jazz message board?
 
Verlin said:
Do you know David Stern? Why is a guy as connected as you slimming around on Jazz message board?
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Just to get under your skin?
I've had PM's with a couple mods and explained my involvement (for a true lack of better words). It's really simple, if you would rather not read my posts, no matter your reason, don't.
 
PKM said:
We've heard stories of mirroring what the NHL did. Also heard everyone will be 'even' with an equal number of ping pong balls. I'm seeing the NHL as the most likely scenario. And, yes, feel free to Google that, lol.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_NHL_lockout

The loss of the 2004–05 season meant that there were no results on which to base the order of the 2005 entry draft. The league settled on a lottery system in which all teams had a weighted chance at the first pick, expected to be Sidney Crosby. The lottery was tilted so teams with fewer playoff appearances over the last three seasons and fewer number one overall picks over the last four seasons had a better chance of landing higher picks. The complete order was determined by the lottery, and the 2005 draft was conducted in a "snake" style, meaning in even rounds, the draft order was reversed. This system was an attempt to compromise between those who felt all teams should have had an equal chance at the first pick and those who felt only the weaker teams should have been in the running.
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Interesting...
 
One idea I've come up with is have a sliding lottery. Many ways to determine initial order, regular season only. Playoff/non-playoff teams, Playoff ladder, etc. But once the teams are designated 1-30, have a weighted lottery of ten slots. Teams 1-10 have a weighted chance for the number 1 pick. Team 1 would have the highest chance, say 15-20%, and team 10 would have a 1% chance.

Add team 11 for the second pick. Add team 12 for the third pick. If you want cut the non-playoff team picks at fourteen. I personally wouldn't and would include first round losers at the eleventh pick. Keep going with the sliding lottery, adjusting however you want, until all picks have been designated.
 
^^ Not a bad thought. I'd love to come up with the math model used to determine the draft order .. purely as a challenge (not to give us an advantage or anything).
 
One of the local radio stations has some dude on whose company simulates each game like 10,000 times. Have this guy do the whole season and use his results of the 2011-2012 season to determine the draft order.
 
catratcho said:
One of the local radio stations has some dude on whose company simulates each game like 10,000 times. Have this guy do the whole season and use his results of the 2011-2012 season to determine the draft order.
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I remember hearing this, but I thought it was a lot more than 10,000 times. Something more like 50,000 times.
 
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