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Lockout is OVER!!! NBA is back according to sources

GoJazz said:
My question is what happened to the hardliner small market teams? I thought they were going to band together and force the big market teams to compete on an equal playing field? So did the players cave or the small market teams?
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Why do we always have to put negotiations in the context of "who caved?" No one caved. No one got the exact deal they wanted, but they found one that was acceptable.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
David Aldridge is saying that the sing-and-trade has been reinstated. That was one thing I really wanted to be abolished in this CBA. Gives players too much leverage to force a trade and still get paid (i.e. Melo).
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I am intrigued to see how American Idol plays into this new sing-and-trade deal. Interesting stuff.
 
Brown Notes said:
Too bad for LJB it was the 1st quarter cut. Now he's only got 2 in which he is good.
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They could fix his 4th quarter fizzle if they just keep him in the locker room until the 2nd quarter, then do player introductions and fireworks as if it were the 1st quarter when he comes out on the floor for the start of the 2nd. Then move halftime to after the 3rd quarter. He would kick *** then.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
The problem isn't that Melo was traded, or what the return was for Denver. The problem is that Melo had too much control over the matter. He basically told Denver where he wanted to play, and requested an extend-and-trade so that he wouldn't lose out on any $. In essence, Melo had all the control! All of the financial incentives of staying with the same team are eliminated when a player can hold his team hostage like this. We traded Deron early just to avoid this type of situation.
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How did Melo hold his team hostage? He told them he'd be leavign in free agency, and gave them the option of extending-and-trading him, trying a sign-and-trade in the offseason, or losing him for nothing.

Denver was able to get a lot of good pieces instead of getting nothing because of the extend-and-trade provision (not in spite of it).

Utah made the deal they made because it was the best they were going to do.

Again, what is your solution? Force players to play with the same team for the length of their respective careers?
 
LogGrad98 said:
They could fix his 4th quarter fizzle if they just keep him in the locker room until the 2nd quarter, then do player introductions and fireworks as if it were the 1st quarter when he comes out on the floor for the start of the 2nd. Then move halftime to after the 3rd quarter. He would kick *** then.
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pretty funny
 
NUMBERICA said:
Getting back to the Cavs, Lebron's decision set that franchise back 20 years. I can think of worse things than being paid the 2nd highest salary in the league with an already pretty damn good team. The pieces they assembled to make him as happy as they could don't work without him as the centerpiece.
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Again, how long should a player be forced to play for the team that drafted them?
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
As a fan I have enjoyed college ball more because of the 19 & older rule. I was/am hoping for a 20 & older rule. Get to watch these guys play college for 2 years would make NCAA tournament so much better.
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If Utah gets hosed in 2 consecutive drafts, I'm going to reach through this computer and kick you in the nuts.
 
I don't really see how raising the age limit to 20 helps College Basketball. I like CB because of the parity, and how smaller schools (like Butler) can come out of nowhere and compete with the Uconn's,Kentucky's, and Duke's. If the age limit is raised to twenty that just means top recruits will stay at bigger schools for longer, making it harder for the small schools, who get mostly 4 year players, to compete.
 
GVC said:
How did Melo hold his team hostage? He told them he'd be leavign in free agency, and gave them the option of extending-and-trading him, trying a sign-and-trade in the offseason, or losing him for nothing.
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He held them hostage by demanding that he only be traded to NY or NJ. This limited the value Denver could get for him. I'm not blaming Melo here, but the system. Hope that's clear.

GVC said:
Denver was able to get a lot of good pieces instead of getting nothing because of the extend-and-trade provision (not in spite of it).
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I would argue that if there was no extend-and-trade provision, Denver would have looked to trade him a year earlier and Denver would have gotten more because he wouldn't have been able to dictate what team he would be traded to. Every team in the league could have bid for his services (competitive balance anyone?) instead of only the teams he demanded to play for.

GVC said:
Utah made the deal they made because it was the best they were going to do.
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Kind of contradicts with what you just said. If the extend-and-trade enabled Denver to get a nice return for Melo, how did the Jazz get so much for Deron? They didn't use an extend-and-trade. Without the extend-and-trade option, this is exactly what Denver would have done, and I would have no problem with it. Then Melo would be forced to stay with his "new" team, or accept a pay decrease to play elsewhere.

GVC said:
Again, what is your solution? Force players to play with the same team for the length of their respective careers?
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No one is forcing players to only play for one team during their entire careers, but there has to be consequences for leaving a team as a superstar.

Extend-and-trade is just a loophole around Bird rights. Most of us like the idea of Bird rights as it can help us keep players that we currently have on our roster, if we're willing to pay. It gives us leverage over other teams. It doesn't "force" the player to stay, rather it gives incentive to stay. With extend-and-trades, that leverage is negated when a player demands a trade. It allows a player to still chose where he plays, and also to maintain his bird rights pay level.

I would rather just end bird rights than have a silly loophole that leads to situations like what Denver faced.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
He held them hostage by demanding that he only be traded to NY or NJ. This limited the value Denver could get for him. I'm not blaming Melo here, but the system. Hope that's clear.
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Who would have been willing to trade for Melo without an extension? I find it hard to believe Denver would have gotten as much value out of a trade to any other team, given Melo made it clear he wasn't willing to re-sign with them. Denver still could have traded him anywhere. The extend-and-sign is what allowed them to get as much as they did.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
Kind of contradicts with what you just said. If the extend-and-trade enabled Denver to get a nice return for Melo, how did the Jazz get so much for Deron?
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Because the teams trading for Deron knew they had more than just a couple months of his services. Again, Denver could have traded Melo a year sooner. They were extremely lucky extend-and-trade exists, as they would have netted less otherwise.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
With extend-and-trades, that leverage is negated when a player demands a trade. It allows a player to still chose where he plays, and also to maintain his bird rights pay level.
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Melo had absolutely no choice in the matter. Denver chose to trade him, and got a good return because extend-and-trade exists.
 
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