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Lockout!!!

Yes, the players have every right to fight for what's fair. That's the point. What they are being offered is fair. It's beyond fair.
It's better than 99% of the rest of the nation who pays their salary. Another slap in the face to the rest of the nation who has been dealing with real struggles. Real problems.
The owners are just that, they own the teams. Stop crying, and accept the deal, and be thankful for it.
 
Cheerleader mud wrestling and dance team poll dancing to replace all missed games. Take your time boys.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Yes, the players have every right to fight for what's fair. That's the point. What they are being offered is fair. It's beyond fair.
It's better than 99% of the rest of the nation who pays their salary. Another slap in the face to the rest of the nation who has been dealing with real struggles. Real problems.
The owners are just that, they own the teams. Stop crying, and accept the deal, and be thankful for it.
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For the thousandth time, why is this (only) the players fault? They didn't go on strike.
 
colton said:
The Great Board Reset of 2010. Gosh, you really haven't been on here much if you missed that.
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That was the worst day of my life. The only proof I had of being prophetic was gone in a flash. Years of flawless player evaluations and predictions vanished from cyberspace. I remember it like it was last week (not yesterday because some details are fuzzy). There was like a week or two week span where nothing happened when I'd try to come on. Even if I didn't type the 'www' before jazzfanz.com. Nothing.

One would think I'd reevaluate my life and priorities upon the realization that since there was no longer a cyber forum for me to spew my insight on the workings of the Utah Jazz made me sad, but it had the opposite effect. It inspired me to go to other websites that had Jazz forums. Realgm was the first I found and I had to apply to post. I felt like this was it. A new beginning. A chance to gain exclusive acceptance into a new Jazz community based on my application letter. A day or two after still not being approved, duties in reality called. By the time my life had slowed back to the point of running to my e-crackhouse Jazzfanz was back and I had forgotten all about Realgm until now. After I hit the reply button to this post I'm going to try and login into Realgm and see if my 'I would drink Jerry Sloan's urine' application letter was finally approved.

Thanks for the reminder.
 
NUMBERICA said:
For the thousandth time, why is this (only) the players fault? They didn't go on strike.
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for the thousandth time...the players are REJECTING the owners proposals which are FAIR.

I don't think it's all the players fault this is going down either, but overall I side heavily with the owners. The owners are rich ********, and could act differently in this issue sure.
However, the facts still remain the owners OWN the teams, and are the boss. Players are not above that.
I'm listening to their cry babies comments, and I simply don't agree with them, or feel much pity for them.
They are given a chance to do something few do, and they are asking for more. **** that Numberica.

The players are not entitled to more.
 
carolinajazz said:
.....GREAT READ! You left out some of the highlights, though! "Filing for bankruptcy is a long-standing tradition for NBA players, 60% of whom, according to the Toronto Star, are broke five years after they retire. The other 40% deliver the Toronto Star." "Guys go broke because they surround themselves with people who help them go broke," says ex-NBA center Danny Schayes." (I suspect he's talking about "homies!")
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God, you're an f'n racist. Mods, can't we do something about this guy? I suspect I'm not the only one tired of reading his racist drivel here.

I'm calling on the mods to grow some nads and ban this bigot jerk wad.
 
There is still a glimmer of hope with federal mediator meeting today. But I expect that candle of hope to be snuffed out soon.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
God, you're an f'n racist. Mods, can't we do something about this guy? I suspect I'm not the only one tired of reading his racist drivel here.

I'm calling on the mods to grow some nads and ban this bigot jerk wad.
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....not gonna happen, dude! I'm quoting a well respected sports writer....when he gets banned, then I'll get banned!
 
Qman said:
There is still a glimmer of hope with federal mediator meeting today. But I expect that candle of hope to be snuffed out soon.
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sadly, and that's when the next chunk of the season gets cut.

Let's just pray for a last minute miracle.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
God, you're an f'n racist. Mods, can't we do something about this guy? I suspect I'm not the only one tired of reading his racist drivel here.

I'm calling on the mods to grow some nads and ban this bigot jerk wad.
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They could use some help with people reporting posts that spell out the infraction.

Not that I've done that a number of times for him or Hopper or anything.
 
At this point i would rather there not be a season if it means taking the 50-50 compromise. its the principle of the thing.
 
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Nate Silver's take on the lockout:

https://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytim...foul-on-n-b-a-s-claims-of-financial-distress/

Instead, independent estimates of the N.B.A. financial condition reflect a league that has grown at a somewhat tepid rate compared to other sports, and which has an uneven distribution of revenues between teams — but which is fundamentally a healthy and profitable business. In addition, it is not clear that growth in player salaries, which has been modest compared to other sports and which is strictly pegged to league revenue, is responsible for the league’s difficulties.
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He runs through a bunch of facts, figures, and calculations, and concludes:

There are several reasons to be skeptical of the N.B.A.’s figures. First, many of the purported losses — perhaps about $250 million — result from an unusual accounting treatment related to depreciation and amortization when a team is sold. While the accounting treatment is legal, these paper losses would have no impact on a team’s cash flow. Another potential (and usually within-the-law) trick: moving income from the basketball team’s balance sheet to that of a related business like a cable network, or losses in the opposite direction.

Second, the leaked financial statements for one team, the New Orleans Hornets, closely matched the Forbes data. And the sale prices for some teams have exceeded their figures. The Golden State Warriors were purchased for $450 million in 2010 — more than the $363 million that Forbes estimates they are worth. The Detroit Pistons were recently sold for a price reported to be about $420 million, more than Forbes’s estimated value of $360 million. The Washington Wizards were bought for $551 million last year, a 70 percent premium over Forbes’s estimated price of $322 million. Comparing actual to theoretical sale prices is not always safe because other assets are sometimes packaged with the teams, but the market for N.B.A. franchises is clearly quite healthy and inconsistent with what the league claims to be a failing business model.

The third reason for skepticism: the N.B.A.’s data has not been made public, although it has been shared with the players’ union. If the league expects their figures to be viewed credibly, they should open up their books to journalists, economists and fans.

Fourth, the current labor deal — which was signed in 1999 and renewed with relatively few changes in 2005 — was initially considered favorable to the league. Although revenue growth may have been more tepid than the league might like, especially in the past few recessionary years, player salaries are tied to revenues and have grown at no faster a rate. The claims made by sports owners on the occasion of a labor dispute — smart and successful capitalists who suddenly become enamored of restrictions on the free market and their own wherewithal to make decisions — often stretch credulity. But to hear the N.B.A. owners complain about the current deal now, when none of the fundamentals have changed, reminds one of the old Woody Allen joke about two women kvetching at a restaurant: “Boy, the food at this place is really terrible,” one says. “I know. And such small portions,” the other replies.
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TheItinerantSon said:
At this point i would rather their not be a season if it means taking the 50-50 compromise. its the principle of the thing.
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Unless you're a member of the NBPA (CJ, is that you?), that's the dumbest post I've seen in a while. As long as the new CBA doesn't royally screw over the Jazz, why would you care how they split their pie? Do you study how other businesses pay their employees, then refuse to buy their products or services if their payroll structure does not suite your standards?
 
It's sad the lockout isn't getting more national coverage. During the NFL lockout that is all ESPN talked about (true, their where no other sports going on besides regular season baseball), but still. It seems if their was as much pressure as the NFL lockout created, the players and owners would act with a sense of urgency.
 
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