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cowhide said:
Yea because the owners have been so willing to compromise. The owners are actually like a bunch of bullies. I am not a big fan of Fisher but what is he suppose to do take a bad deal.
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He's supposed to recognize his true position at the table. The players have NO leverage. None. This isn't 1999. The world has changed. 50/50 BRI is the best deal they're going to get. 52.5 is a delusion.
 
If I'm running a business and decide that I'm willing to do business according to x criteria and willing to shut my business down under y criteria you could call me uncompromising all you want. It'd be MY business to continue or not continue depending on the criteria I chose.

I'd like for the players to get as much as possible. I'm not one to say they are overpaid. They should get paid as much as they can possibly get. Only now they're trying to "get theirs" by sacrificing this season of basketball. That's where I lose sympathy for them and their cause. The owners have shown them what they're willing to pay. No one is going to starve to death as a player in the NBA. If the players have more attractive opportunities outside the NBA then by all means they should go for those opportunities. If, on the other hand, their best and only chance to make millions is in the NBA then they should take what they can get now and play basketball.

I don't see them as trying to get a "fair deal" from the owners. I see the players as trying to get more than they're worth* at the expense of the fans.

*things are worth as much as people are willing to pay for them.
 
Gameface said:
If I'm running a business and decide that I'm willing to do business according to x criteria and willing to shut my business down under y criteria you could call me uncompromising all you want. It'd be MY business to continue or not continue depending on the criteria I chose.
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That's not playing fair. I'm taking my ball and going to Europe.
 
Gameface said:
If I'm running a business and decide that I'm willing to do business according to x criteria and willing to shut my business down under y criteria you could call me uncompromising all you want. It'd be MY business to continue or not continue depending on the criteria I chose.

I'd like for the players to get as much as possible. I'm not one to say they are overpaid. They should get paid as much as they can possibly get. Only now they're trying to "get theirs" by sacrificing this season of basketball. That's where I lose sympathy for them and their cause. The owners have shown them what they're willing to pay. No one is going to starve to death as a player in the NBA. If the players have more attractive opportunities outside the NBA then by all means they should go for those opportunities. If, on the other hand, their best and only chance to make millions is in the NBA then they should take what they can get now and play basketball.

I don't see them as trying to get a "fair deal" from the owners. I see the players as trying to get more than they're worth* at the expense of the fans.

*things are worth as much as people are willing to pay for them.
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I pretty much agree with this.

a couple comments (with apologies if I'm repeating stuff already said by others, I've been trying to keep up with this thread as best I can):

- in general, I think it's easier for the owners to reach agreement amongst themselves than the players. There are 30 teams, granted some involve multiple ownership interests, but it's still a far smaller number than the 400 or so players in the union.

- overall, I think the owners have more of an interest in the game of basketball, and a more global (overall, not limited to themselves) perspective than do the players. I think the owners are probably looking at it from a league and team perspective, whereas the players are looking at it from more of an individual perspective. While players want to see their teams do well, as far as their contracts are concerned, they care more about the impact of the CBA on their individual contract rather than the impact on the team or the league. Not sure if I'm explaining myself too well, so sorry if I sound confused - I know what I mean. ;)


The fact that players are playing professionally overseas, and that it looks like the lock-out isn't really having much effect on the NBDL, definitely indicates that there are those willing to play professionally for less money than what the NBA is expected to pay. The NBDL starts its 2011-2012 season on Friday, November 25. I think it'll be interesting to see if there's any greater interest in those games due to the lock-out, as well as to see who's on the final rosters of the NBDL teams.
https://www.nba.com/dleague/schedules/
 
An article I read this morning really surprised me, and proves how little most NBA players actually follow or understand what's happening in the lockout. The is what I read in the Arizona Republic this morning:

At times, James might be misguided and tone-deaf. In a recent negotiating session, it was explained to James that the 43 percent of basketball-related income received by owners was not profit, rather a number that came before operating expenses.

According to a source, James replied, "Well, I have expenses, too."

So apparently this entire time Lebron James thought that the NBA was very profitable, and that players and owners were simply negotiation over who gets what amount of that profit. I thought Billy Hunter was traveling around the US telling the players the truth about what is happening to the NBA as a business. Apparently he forgot to mention that it's losing money.

https://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2011/10/29/20111029nba-lockout-players-stern-warning.html
 
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This is how it is going in these long meetings...


Owners "I have a proposal... 50%"
Players "52%"
Owners "50%"

Staring at each other.....

Lets take a break for lunch....


Players "Have a great offer.. 52%"
Owners "Ok... last deal.. 50%"
Players "Great deal here at 52%"
Owners "Time for a snack and cup of coffee"


Players "Last straw... 52%"
Owners "Great deal here kiddos 50%"
Players "We are not kids, 52%"
Owners "They go wash some dishes 50%"
Players "We thought about it and this is a great deal 52%"
 
Cope said:
This is how it is going in these long meetings...


Owners "I have a proposal... 50%"
Players "52%"
Owners "50%"

Staring at each other.....

Lets take a break for lunch....


Players "Have a great offer.. 52%"
Owners "Ok... last deal.. 50%"
Players "Great deal here at 52%"
Owners "Time for a snack and cup of coffee"


Players "Last straw... 52%"
Owners "Great deal here kiddos 50%"
Players "We are not kids, 52%"
Owners "They go wash some dishes 50%"
Players "We thought about it and this is a great deal 52%"
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You forgot the part where KG comes in and glares at everyone for 2 hours straight.
 
Cope said:
This is how it is going in these long meetings...


Players "Last straw... 52%"
Owners "Great deal here kiddos 50%"
Players "We are not kids, 52%"
Owners "They go wash some dishes 50%"
Players "We thought about it and this is a great deal 52%"
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.....let's hope the owners stick to there guns on this!
 
That was funny.

I'm going to take a queue from the business men and athletes we see in the media and say hey I gotta get what I can, what about me, what can I get from this cause that's all I care about.
Cause it was the only reason I was leaning towards the owners locking out the players and it's getting more and more obvious once each side "gets theirs" the only people left out of "getting theirs" will be the fans of small market teams.

Hey Stern do us a favor and retire or bring in the next in line for your job to help negotiate, not that it would change things but just so I have an idea who to dislike next.
 
NBA players: Most overpaid, biggest "eyesores", underachieving, repulsive athletes in professional sports. Owners aren't going to "reward" them for that!!! Stern is doing what needs to be done!
 
The NBA's players are out of moves, like Jonathan Poe, the chess prodigy who ultimately had to give in to Josh Waitzkin, an even better prodigy, who saw the end of their match 12 moves before Poe did in "Searching For Bobby Fischer". In similar ways this NBA lockout has been predestined, the owners knowing exactly what they were going to get, and how, and when, and the union, full of very smart and good chess players itself, is trying desperately to avoid where it is now, 12 moves from oblivion, with nothing it can do about it.

The union must take the deal now. For it will take a far worse deal a month from now, or later, and lose half a billion or more in the process.

No NLRB ruling nor decertification nor Solidarity Forever chant is going to change that now. The NBA's owners are not looking for a decision; they want a knockout, and they're going to get it. They will blow up the season if they don't like the deal, and they're going to, unless the union folds its 2-3 hand with the flop coming, calls it a day, gets this season started by mid-December and lives to fight again. It is out of moves.
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https://www.nba.com/2011/news/featu...lockout-next-steps/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1
 
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