Lockout!!!

[carolinajazz]

...."because now that a month of the season is officially gone, and $800 million is down the tubes, there's no reason for the league to stay at 50-50, and it won't.

The players aren't going to get 52, or 51, or 50.5, or 50.000001, and if they hold out for those numbers, they're not going to have a season. You'd have to be crazy not to see that now, so it's this for the players: take the deal this week or next, or lose the season. If they are willing to die on principle, they wouldn't be the first. But they will die, in the metaphorical sense."

"But this isn't about fair. This is about the NBA putting its house back in order -- naked, real-world realpolitik. If you understand nothing else about these negotitations, understand this: this isn't just about money, at least not totally; this is about re-establishing who's in charge.....the predominately conservative, fundamentally sound owners....or the tattooed, hip-hop punks!"

(Ok....I fudged that last line a little....but if you have beers with some of those owners, they'd probably say something similar, right?!!!)

 

[Watcher]

https://www.nba.com/2011/news/featu...lockout-next-steps/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Good article.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Mickey Arison fined 500K for some disparaging remarks against small market owners. Looks like there is dissension among the owners as well. Stern is going to be fighting a three way war here real soon.

 

[carolinajazz]

Mickey Arison fined 500K for some disparaging remarks against small market owners. Looks like there is dissension among the owners as well. Stern is going to be fighting a three way war here real soon.

...owners are united and prepared to cancel the whole season! Not going to cave in one bit to the punks!

 

[Jazz4ever]

...owners are united and prepared to cancel the whole season! Not going to cave in one bit to the punks!

We'll see. The Heat were one of the teams that lost money last year and Mickey Arison was still willing to eat a massive fine to let the world know a few small market teams are holding up the process. But keep covering your ears to the real world...lalalalalala

 

[Jerry Lundegaard]

I'm curious if the mods plan on keeping this thread around for when the NBA comes back in case anyone still wants to hangout in here when the Jazz are an unbearable trainwreck because Corbin is an inexperienced basket case who is holding Favors and Hayward back? Only under those circumstances though.

 

[carolinajazz]

I'm curious if the mods plan on keeping this thread around for when the NBA comes back in case anyone still wants to hangout in here when the Jazz are an unbearable trainwreck because Corbin is an inexperienced basket case who is holding Favors and Hayward back? Only under those circumstances though.

...this thread will be around for a whole year! No need to worry about that. Unless the brain dead Players union all of a sudden gets some smarts.

 

[carolinajazz]

NEW facet of the owners/players CBA! Check it out!

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...-filled-tattoos-removed-face-article-1.969836

 

[NotDeadYet]

Lol!!

 

[NotDeadYet]

At least some of them are startin' to get it... https://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/mi...0000-twitter-comments-labor-talks-sources-say

 

[TheItinerantSon]

an article i read this morning really surprised me, and proves how little most nba players actually follow or understand what's happening in the lockout. The is what i read in the arizona republic this morning:

at times, james might be misguided and tone-deaf. In a recent negotiating session, it was explained to james that the 43 percent of basketball-related income received by owners was not profit, rather a number that came before operating expenses.

According to a source, james replied, "well, i have expenses, too."

so apparently this entire time lebron james thought that the nba was very profitable, and that players and owners were simply negotiation over who gets what amount of that profit. I thought billy hunter was traveling around the us telling the players the truth about what is happening to the nba as a business. Apparently he forgot to mention that it's losing money.

https://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2011/10/29/20111029nba-lockout-players-stern-warning.html

its not losing money.

 

[TheItinerantSon]

you are out of your mind if you think the heat lost money last year.

arison made money hand over fist.

 

[freakazoid]

Mickey Arison fined 500K for some disparaging remarks against small market owners. Looks like there is dissension among the owners as well. Stern is going to be fighting a three way war here real soon.

No he won't. Arison is part of the minority, and this dissention is nothing new. Meanwhile, the majority of players are losing money that they'll never get back. The players are the ones who will be turning on eachother, which is why they will not only cave, but it will likely be for a worse deal the longer this goes on.

Mickey Arison was still willing to eat a massive fine to let the world know a few small market teams are holding up the process.

You've got to be kidding.

 

[freakazoid]

In Monday night's letter, which was obtained by ESPN.com, Fisher responded to Friday's report from FoxSports.com columnist Jason Whitlock and suggestions that the union's leadership is splintering by telling its members: "Usually I wouldn't even dignify absurd media reports with a comment. But before these reports go any further, let me say on the record to each of you [that] my loyalty has and always will be with the players.


"Anyone that questions that or doubts that does not know me, my history and what I stand for," Fisher said. "And quite frankly, how dare anyone call that into question? The Players Association is united and any reports to the contrary are false. There have been no side agreements, no side negotiations or anything close. We are united in serving you and presenting the best options and getting everyone back to work."


A source told FoxSports.com that Fisher has been negotiating privately with Stern and Silver and promised the NBA's top two officials that he could deliver the union's signoff on a 50/50 split of annual revenue (known as basketball related income) in the next labor deal. According to the report, the concerns about Fisher's allegiance to Stern and Silver are similar to criticisms faced by former union president Michael Curry in 2005 when the previous labor deal was negotiated. Curry soon began working for the NBA after that deal was completed

https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/...-says-report-questioning-union-loyalty-absurd

 

[Revolution 9]

When can we start dishing out the majority of the blame on Greg Miller?

 

[carolinajazz]

Fisher is NOT cracking! Here's the report: NBA union president Derek Fisher emailed a letter to his fellow players Monday urging them to stand fast in their negotiations with the owners.

In the letter he referred to a recent report by FoxSports.com, quoting unnamed sources who said that Fisher had been challenged by NBPA executive director Billy Hunter and "at least one member of the union's executive committee" for allegedly seeking a 50-50 split in basketball-related income from the owners. Hunter has since told SportsBusiness Journal that he did not confront Fisher as reported.

"Usually I wouldn't even dignify absurd media reports with a comment," Fisher wrote to the players Monday night. "But before these reports go any further, let me say on the record to each of you, my loyalty has and always will be with the players.[edited to remove some of CJ's ********][/B]

Read more: https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2.../derek.fisher.letter/index.html#ixzz1cSTsMqGp

 

[One Brow]

*things are worth as much as people are willing to pay for them.

If the players were allowed to earn as much as the owners would pay them, payroll would be 65%+ of BRI. The CBA requires the owners to handicap themselves, so they can pay below market value.

 

[NotDeadYet]

It's really very simple. Do the players want to play basketball in the NBA or not?

Quote Originally Posted by Jazz4ever View Post
Mickey Arison was still willing to eat a massive fine to let the world know a few small market teams are holding up the process.

R-I_G_H_T . . . . . . Arison, as usual, is just a little confused. If it was really A FEW, Stern would NOT be listening to them. Stern would side with the big-market guys every time, but the big-market boys now find themselves in the minority. If Stern wants to keep his job as Comish, he needs to listen to the MAJORITY of owners, and he knows it...

 

[GVC]

If the players were allowed to earn as much as the owners would pay them, payroll would be 65%+ of BRI. The CBA requires the owners to handicap themselves, so they can pay below market value.

Look, idiot, don't you know unions are bad and cartels are good? Why do you hate America?

 

[freakazoid]

Look, idiot, don't you know unions are bad and cartels are good? Why do you hate America?

Who said unions were bad? I support unions, but I've seen first hand what can happen when a few people in a union get too much power and let their egos get in the way of making sensible decisions. This whole situation is a lot more complicated than simply union vs. management or players vs. owners IMO. Truth be told, I think the star players and rich owners/big market teams would both be thrilled to have a situation where there was no cap at all. I believe those two groups have more interests in common than lumping all the owners together.

I support the owners side because their position best represents teams like Utah. I feel bad for the majority of players who are going to end up getting screwed in all this, but I can't support the rich owners/star players. That's the way I see things. This is really a case of small market teams vs. rich owners/star players.