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I'm probably not getting what you're asking here but I don't think anybody thought the BRI was anything but fixed (or hard) there was talk of maybe negotiating a flex BRI. The only other thing I could think of being confused (besides me) is that this year the NBA had to pay the PA a chunk of money because the players salaries didn't equal 57% so the players did get some checks sometime this week (or so I read). Didn't see how the chunk was divided up on who got what.

But that is another question in my head I've been meaning to ask if the BRI is at a certain % but players are still fighting over hard caps or a "harder" cap claiming it keeps them from making money, or even guaranteed or partial guaranteed contracts in the end if the NBA teams don't meet the BRI % the NBA still cuts them a check. I would think they could work out something that players that got cut and didn't get resigned and/or other "victims" of these new potential new system ideas could get a bigger portion of the cut.

I was asking because people keep writing about various issues that have differing implications as if they are the same in this thread.

The NBA could have instituted a hard cap for NBA teams (this is in theory to make a point I understand they can't do this unilaterally) at $10 million per team two years ago and the players would still have received 57% of BRI. That's the way it is. As a result the BRI discussion and the hard cap discussion are entirely different. If that were to have happened, player compensation would have been the same but the effective earnings of the players would be less transparent because the public doesn't see how money is divided out of the escrow payment among the players. Those (like CJ) who rant on and on about exorbitant player salaries are missing this fundamental distinction.

The hard cap discussion really only matters to the players to the extent it affects player movement, implies the need for non-guaranteed contracts, and affects high-end star's bargaining power (since they are largely the ones who benefit from Bird rights). Team parity is, at best, a tertiary issue from the player's perspective when it comes to a hard cap. A hard cap, from that perspective, is entirely an owner-to-owner negotiation. It's not a players vs. owners dispute on team competitiveness at all.
 
Then there's this:
Is it economically worthwhile for the players to hold out for $500 million?
No. Total NBA salaries last year were over $1.5 billion, about three times the amount they are fighting over. Canceling a third of the current season would wipe out the gain of winning the extra 2.5 percent of BRI over the life of the new collective bargaining agreement. Canceling the whole season over 2.5 percent of BRI is insane for the players.

...but then slapping your entire body with jail-house tats is INSANE!!!

Ok, so why do you have hope the whole season will be lost when this fact is staring them in the face?
 
Ok, so why do you have hope the whole season will be lost when this fact is staring them in the face?

...simply speaking....if they are insane enough to do to there bodies what they do...then they are INSANE enough to not take the present deal, hold out for what will never come...and lose the whole season anyway!
 
The hard cap discussion really only matters to the players to the extent it affects player movement, implies the need for non-guaranteed contracts, and affects high-end star's bargaining power (since they are largely the ones who benefit from Bird rights).
I'm not sure I agree exactly which players would be affected by a hard cap (and similar or lessened restrictions on max salaries), but there'd certainly be a large enough effect on a large enough group of players that they'd demand a lot of time be spent on the discussion and negotiating of the specifics of any radically changed system (like going to an NHL or NFL style hard cap). This point has been completely omitted from a shockingly high percentage of media reports on the lockout, and the players' stance on a hard cap has been used to discredit the union (whether this was David Stern's doing, some larger conspiracy, or a coincidence, I have no idea). It's unfortunate.
 
...somebody pointed out very nicely in this thread that once the CBA ended...it was if the players became "unemployed" and now have to negotiate there own contracts by starting over. The players should be thankful the owners started out at a 50/50 take! The owners could have started at any number! 25 players....75 owners...take it or leave it! It may just come to that if they don't wise up and sign now!
 
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you wrote that the NBA could have instituted a hard cap for NBA teams (this is in theory to make a point I understand they can't do this unilaterally) at $10 million per team two years ago and the players would still have received 57% of BRI. That's the way it is. As a result the BRI discussion and the hard cap discussion are entirely different.

That is not the way the BRI calculation works. The BRI is league wide cap. Players don't have to earn 57% they just can't exceed that number. The league escrows a small percentage of every players check throughout the year. If at the end of the year the total league wide player salary expense is less than than 57% of BRI the league refunds the players the money withheld from their checks. If the salaries exceed 57% the players lose that portion of the check. So if the cap was 10 million per team there would be no way total salaries could even come close to 57 percent of BRI. The players would get back that portion of their checks withheld by the league. In a case where a hard cap of 10 million was installed (and yes I know you took an absurd number to prove a point) the total BRI would not even come close to 57 percent. So why they may be unrelated issues, they do have some relation.
 
I know I'm going to regret this, but...

...simply speaking....if they are insane enough to do to there bodies what they do...then they are INSANE enough to not take the present deal, hold out for what will never come...and lose the whole season anyway!

What do you mean by "insane enough to do to 'there' bodies what they do"?
 
I know I'm going to regret this, but...



What do you mean by "insane enough to do to 'there' bodies what they do"?

.....I consider it INSANE or not of a SANE mind to put any tattoo's on your body, let alone what 90% of today's NBA players have done to themselves with multiple tattoo's from the top of their necks to the bottom of their ankles! It's repulsive, sickening and a desecration of the human body. I know you see it differently.
 
.....I consider it INSANE or not of a SANE mind to put any tattoo's on your body, let alone what 90% of today's NBA players have done to themselves with multiple tattoo's from the top of their necks to the bottom of their ankles! It's repulsive, sickening and a desecration of the human body. I know you see it differently.

I thought that's what you meant, but I'll never understand why it bothers you so much.
 
...simply speaking....if they are insane enough to do to there bodies what they do...then they are INSANE enough to not take the present deal, hold out for what will never come...and lose the whole season anyway!

I hardly see getting tattooed as insanity. America doesn't seem to think it insane either.

According to the most recent Harris Poll, conducted in the summer of 2003, approximately 15% of all (including people generally too young for tattoos anyway) Americans (or about 40 million people) have at least one tattoo = 1 in 8 people in the USA has a tattoo.

36% of persons ages 18 to 25, and 40% of those ages 26 to 40, have at least one tattoo, according to a fall 2006 survey by the Pew Research Center

There are an estimated 20,000+ parlors operating in the United States, according to a U.S. News & World Report article, which said, on the average, an establishment is being added in the country every day. The article ranked tattooing as the sixth fastest growing retail venture of the 1990s, right behind Internet, paging services, bagels, computer and cellular phone service

I hardly see tattoos as an insane trait of being a "hopper"
 
I won't care if my sons get tattoos, but I will try to stress the importance of being able to cover them should a prospective employer have CJ's attitude. To go CJ, the one body art thing I do not understand is ear guaging, but to each their own.
 
I won't care if my sons get tattoos, but I will try to stress the importance of being able to cover them should a prospective employer have CJ's attitude. To go CJ, the one body art thing I do not understand is ear guaging, but to each their own.

Or gauging in general.

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that dude is a desecration ... looks worse than mutilation ... omg ... but then I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but what this beholder is seeing like the difference between heavy metal and Beethoven's 9th ... of course, he likes heavy metal.
 
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