DutchJazzer
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LOL, REALLY hollinger? REALLY?
LOL john hollinger has no clue about BOOZER
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LOL, REALLY hollinger? REALLY?
I find the references to Millsap running out of gas to be crazy. It was earlier in his career, he works very hard getting loose balls, playing real D and fighting for rebs. If all members of your team played that hard all the time, imagine the sucess you'd have (and thus time to rest becuase the supporting cast is really supporting.) Additionally, he's more seasoned now. Marathon runners peak late in 20's (and beyond?) becuase it takes that much time to get your body in top shape. 20 year olds don't run forever 29 year olds do.
Let the Hollinger hate and namecalling begin!
Btw I would rather have a Milsap that runs out of gas (will never happen again), than a Boozer in a suit for 30-40% of his games anyday. Fes is a dropoff from Memo offensively, but is better defensively, and Memo will be back as a bench player in the next month or 2. Let the national media people doubt, it gives DWill and the others more of a chip on the shoulder to play mad.
Btw I would rather have a Milsap that runs out of gas (will never happen again), than a Boozer in a suit for 30-40% of his games anyday. Fes is a dropoff from Memo offensively, but is better defensively, and Memo will be back as a bench player in the next month or 2. Let the national media people doubt, it gives DWill and the others more of a chip on the shoulder to play mad.
vslice02
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Hollinger is usually never right on anything - but I find it hard to disagree with the general premise of his answer. I think the thing he forgot to mention is when healthy Boozer's play doesn't drop off throughout the season - but he's not always healthy while Millsap is.
As of now, Millsap has replaced Boozer but we're still looking for someone to replace Millsap - providing that scoring punch off the bench. Only averaging 22 points off the bench - the past 4 seasons we've been between 31 and 35. Maybe it's Okur but that's still a question mark. Deron's averaging over 40 mpg, Millsap and Jefferson at 38 mpg - that needs to drop or those 3 will be worn out by the playoffs.
As of now, Millsap has replaced Boozer but we're still looking for someone to replace Millsap - providing that scoring punch off the bench. Only averaging 22 points off the bench - the past 4 seasons we've been between 31 and 35. Maybe it's Okur but that's still a question mark. Deron's averaging over 40 mpg, Millsap and Jefferson at 38 mpg - that needs to drop or those 3 will be worn out by the playoffs.
gomretat
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Hollinger is correct and the big drop-off around depth is huge, particularly with Memo out. I hope Sap keeps it up but only time will tell. We can hate Booz all we want but watching AJ try and integrate has reinforced how good Booz was. Won't miss his bench time but he had good bball IQ and fit very well in the Jazz system. Hopefully Al will do the same
Karadrys30
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Players train for the role they play on a team. I recall an article about Colins that mentioned he was training wrong. He was training to play 35 min per game but only playing for 10 max. So they changed his training schedule to include more intense but shorter sessions. I would assume that the same was true of milsap. He was playing 20 min or so a night until Boozer went down. So he has been training for 20 and now asked to go 35-40. You can do that for a while but it will catch up to you. For the record, Milsap was much better over that period of time than he has been so far. I think he was shooting nearly 70% for about 2 weeks. And most of those were midrange jumpers.
Stifle Tower
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Millsap didn't run out of gas, he was hurt. But unlike Carlos, he kept playing when he probably should have sat out with his bad knee.
I agree with vslice. We need some help off the bench. Of course, if the starters could come out and give 100% in the first half, maybe they wouldn't have to all play 20-22 mins in the 2nd trying to come back from a large deficit.
Zerol
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hollinger is one of those who looks at stats only but not the games. based on Boozer's numbers he thought he's a great low post scorer. he also didn't consider how good Millsap's jumper is now that he won't have to go inside that much to score, which will help solve the "run out of gas" problem.
gomretat
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Facts -
1) Booz put up great numbers in Utah and the Jazz offense was very efficient with him in a key role
2) Sap did fade very quickly - independent of conjectures on why or how anyone wants to spin it
2) Booz's biggest problems were injuries and length
3) Hopefully Sap does not ride the pine like Carlos but as for length he does not help
4) Hollinger's point on depth is the same point Sloan has made multiple times - Replacing Carlos with Sap is not the issue, the issue is having someone coming off the bench.
We can hate Booz all we want, and i am glad the Jazz did not pay what the Bulls did, but Booz was a great player in the Jazz system and will not be easy to replace.
1) Booz put up great numbers in Utah and the Jazz offense was very efficient with him in a key role
2) Sap did fade very quickly - independent of conjectures on why or how anyone wants to spin it
2) Booz's biggest problems were injuries and length
3) Hopefully Sap does not ride the pine like Carlos but as for length he does not help
4) Hollinger's point on depth is the same point Sloan has made multiple times - Replacing Carlos with Sap is not the issue, the issue is having someone coming off the bench.
We can hate Booz all we want, and i am glad the Jazz did not pay what the Bulls did, but Booz was a great player in the Jazz system and will not be easy to replace.
chawx
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I'm sure we can find someone in (or out of) the NBA right now that can get their **** blocked in the paint over and over and over and over again.
Post-flagged for blatant non-Boozer hating.
DutchJazzer
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well to me breaking down is the real running out of GASS
the when healthy stuff does not count. not wheter millsap runs out of gass again or not.
the when healthy stiff is just an excuse.
now that cp3 is healthy deron got bumped to 2nd/3rd again in pg ranking.
if by that aocunt i hereby DECLARE YAO MING AND GREG ODEN BEST CENTERS IN NBA HISTORY
DutchJazzer
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DutchJazzer
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also what irks me is the media labels the jazz as 2 comeback victories in a row. forgetting the clippers come back victory. really is it htat hard to check your facts
The "big drop-off" is because Memo is out, not because we lost Bozzer and added Jefferson. This has nothing to do with Milsap and Jefferson vs Milsap and Bozzer and has everything to do with Game 1 of the Denver series last year.
Fishsticks
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Some one needs to slap the shizz out of you right now.
m3at
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The thing that I always hated about Booz was not knowing what his real intent was. It also seemed like his impact on games were very minimal in most games. That being said, he had his moments where he showed up and carried the team through a couple games in some of our play-off series throughout his duration here. But mostly I think his numbers were pretty meaningless in most games.
I don't think I ever disliked the guy, but for a guy his size I suppose I expected him to work in the low post much more than he did and he seemed to always disappear against teams who had a bigger front court. I was always taught that you take it right to the bigger guys and get them in foul trouble. It seemed like he was fine settling for the 15'-20' J's most of the time.
I don't think I ever disliked the guy, but for a guy his size I suppose I expected him to work in the low post much more than he did and he seemed to always disappear against teams who had a bigger front court. I was always taught that you take it right to the bigger guys and get them in foul trouble. It seemed like he was fine settling for the 15'-20' J's most of the time.