What's new

Looking for a new team

Basically, we need a star. And I agree.
The best way to get one is to hit a homerun in the draft. The jazz have a lot of draft picks coming up in the next few drafts. Hopefully we find our star.

We also could possibly get a disgruntled star (like cousins or harden) by using some of our assets (we have a lot of draft picks and good young unique talent on cheap contracts).

I don't see us getting a non disgruntled star any other way. Other teams don't typically trade them and they are not likely to come here in free agency.

I agree about the draft. However, not only do you have to draft someone special, you have to give them an opportunity to burst onto the scene. With our lineup, the guy we draft at 12 is going to get just that, 12 minutes a game. Slow Jazz-style development might be good for a role player's career (I mean, look how many of our draft picks are still in the league contributing to playoff teams), but it's not good for making a star.

The good news is the larger stage of the post season gives players another opportunity to blow up. Biyombo, in his fifth season, has made himself a star these playoffs. If we make the playoffs next year and win a series off the dominant play of one our young guys, we could find ourselves suddenly in possession of a star.

I think that's what Jazz management was hoping for this year. Missing the playoffs really was devastating for our excitement factor.
 
Mct,
MANY stars have taken time to develop. Jazz had a pretty decent one named Stockton. Millsap took time. I think a slower timeline is likely more prevalent now because of the one and dones. Sure, there will always be a few instant stars. But the majority of 19 yr olds aren't as ready physically, mentally or skill-wise as the players who used to come in at 23 with four years of college basketball.

But that can create problems. You bake the cake, only to find out one or more of the key ingredients was bad from the beginning and ruined the final product.
 
Last edited:
I agree about the draft. However, not only do you have to draft someone special, you have to give them an opportunity to burst onto the scene. With our lineup, the guy we draft at 12 is going to get just that, 12 minutes a game. Slow Jazz-style development might be good for a role player's career (I mean, look how many of our draft picks are still in the league contributing to playoff teams), but it's not good for making a star.

The good news is the larger stage of the post season gives players another opportunity to blow up. Biyombo, in his fifth season, has made himself a star these playoffs. If we make the playoffs next year and win a series off the dominant play of one our young guys, we could find ourselves suddenly in possession of a star.

I think that's what Jazz management was hoping for this year. Missing the playoffs really was devastating for our excitement factor.
Great post. That is one thing I didn't mention in the post you quoted (but have mentioned throughout this thread) but I agree that the jazz could have a star currently on the team.
 
Great post. That is one thing I didn't mention in the post you quoted (but have mentioned throughout this thread) but I agree that the jazz could have a star currently on the team.

At this point to convince anyone of that they would have to make the playoffs and achieve something story worthy. I'm not sure they can wait another season in the hopes that it plays out this way.
 
At this point to convince anyone of that they would have to make the playoffs and achieve something story worthy. I'm not sure they can wait another season in the hopes that it plays out this way.
Ya I think it's possible that they already have a star but unlikely. I would put my money on them not having a star on the roster already.

I could see them winning 50 games next year though without a star and I really like all of our players a lot so that would be pretty cool. But if the chance to get a star comes up and they have to use some of my favorite players then I still hope they go for it.
 
Do "disgruntled" stars ever carry teams to championships? I think the stars who have switched teams are players who have moved to bigger markets, like Shaq, Lebron, etc. I think the BEST Utah could hope for is a player like MEmo or Boozer who wanted a bigger role and was relatively undervalued. But who would want to sign, knowing the Jazz' starting 5 is pretty much set - unless you can convince Exum or Hood to come off the bench?
I don't see any "savior" coming to town. But I still hold out hope significant improvements can be made over guys like CJ, Booker, Ingles and Mack/Neto.
 
Do "disgruntled" stars ever carry teams to championships? I think the stars who have switched teams are players who have moved to bigger markets, like Shaq, Lebron, etc. I think the BEST Utah could hope for is a player like MEmo or Boozer who wanted a bigger role and was relatively undervalued. But who would want to sign, knowing the Jazz' starting 5 is pretty much set - unless you can convince Exum or Hood to come off the bench.

This.
 
Do "disgruntled" stars ever carry teams to championships? I think the stars who have switched teams are players who have moved to bigger markets, like Shaq, Lebron, etc. I think the BEST Utah could hope for is a player like MEmo or Boozer who wanted a bigger role and was relatively undervalued. But who would want to sign, knowing the Jazz' starting 5 is pretty much set - unless you can convince Exum or Hood to come off the bench?
I don't see any "savior" coming to town. But I still hold out hope significant improvements can be made over guys like CJ, Booker, Ingles and Mack/Neto.

No. We are getting KD. Utah is the clear destination for a championship. Believe my bros.
 
2) I'm quite glad we spent the year to assess the talent that we had before we spent big-money on contracts for players that might have been obsolete given the players we now have. Would we rather have Lyles on a Rookie contract or Tobias Harris on a max? I'd rather spend the Tobias Harris money on two mid-level players like Crabbe and PJ Tucker

Background: Tobias Harris signed his current contract with the Orlando Magic. He's currently on the Detroit Pistons. He was traded.

Question: With respect to the signing of Tobias Harris, which team is better off today, the Orlando Magic or the Utah Jazz?

More background: Harris was traded in the first year of his new contract, with pretty much the maximum number of dollars and years committed relative to the day he became tradable.


I look forward to your answer.

[MENTION=848]dalamon[/MENTION]. Still waiting.
 
Still finished as the 9th seed. What did the Jazz finish at this season? It's relative to the season played. East was garbage and league didn't have an Elite 4 that season.

The West is pathetic this year and we couldn't make the playoffs. 48 wins is 48 wins. He won 48 games. Snyder hasn't.
 
I don't post much, and to be honest my interest in the Jazz took a huge hit this past season for various personal reasons, but the jazz have done nothing lately to convince me to watch religiously like I used to.

I can see both sides of the argument in this thread. On one hand their wait-and-see, cake-bake plan appears to be sort of working, albeit slowly. They should have made the playoffs this year based on SRS, and they will probably make the playoffs next year for reasons already pointed out.

On the other hand, goddamn if this isn't the least interesting NBA team going right now. Rudy Gobert and his standing reach is our only moderately interesting storyline in the last several years. Can you imagine being an opposing announcer calling Jazz games? It would be torture. All you can say about our best players is that they seem to be getting slightly better each year, that they play the game the right way, and one day might knock on the door of the allstar game.

Check out the Jazz's attendance at away games:

https://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/sort/awayAvg

Back in Deron's day we were much higher. That's because other teams could sell their fans on coming out to see our badass point guard play. Look at the timberwolves this past season. You can bet opposing marketing teams sold ticket packages with Towns and Wiggins yelling passionately on either side of the promo graphic. Favors and Hayward are going into their seventh season. It is too late for them to get this kind of hype. Their NBA fate is doomed to nice complementary guys, Kyle Lowry level stars in terms of name recognition.

This is bad, guys. Hype is important. Marketing teams can work with hype. Fans turn out to games because of hype. Right now, looking over the thirty teams, our Hype Index would be right down there with Brooklyn's, which is impressive considering how young this team is. You'd think we'd have something other than Gobert's defense to capture the imagination of fans.

That's the main reason I'm in favor of a huge shakeup this offseason. If the most compelling reason to watch next season is the return of an inexperienced and injured former fifth pick, I'm sorry but that's not going to make me count down the days until November. Another year of incremental improvement from within that--if injuries and fourth quarters start going our way--might get us fifty wins?

Ugh...

I mean, I'll still watch, but only because I don't really have anything better to do.

This. 100% this. We are the most boring team in the NBA. Maybe it's because we were all waiting for Exum to play, but this team was...bleh.
 
LMAO at those who claim "we" needed to assess talent. The franchise doesn't need to assess talent; that's what they do for a living and already knew pretty much exactly what they got. YOU needed to assess talent, and that's such a dumb *** business model to promote that it's not worthy of this response.

The Jazz know what they have and had. They failed to put product on the floor so they could put money in their pockets. Need I remind you we could have had Reggie Jackson?
 
LMAO at those who claim "we" needed to assess talent. The franchise doesn't need to assess talent; that's what they do for a living and already knew pretty much exactly what they got. YOU needed to assess talent, and that's such a dumb *** business model to promote that it's not worthy of this response.

The Jazz know what they have and had. They failed to put product on the floor so they could put money in their pockets. Need I remind you we could have had Reggie Jackson?
Not bustin' your chops. Just curious. Some of you are so sure Reggie Jackson was there for the taking. I'm wondering how you're so certain, because I haven't seen anyone from the Jazz confirm it. Is it just speculation because he was part of the 3-way or has someone credible confirmed.
 
Not bustin' your chops. Just curious. Some of you are so sure Reggie Jackson was there for the taking. I'm wondering how you're so certain, because I haven't seen anyone from the Jazz confirm it. Is it just speculation because he was part of the 3-way or has someone credible confirmed.

They took DJ Augustine, Kyle Singler and a 2019 2nd rounder for salary filler for him. I guarantee the Jazz could have easily offered a pittance of a package that was would have trumped that. And you do remember that we traded who is now a max contract guy and took on Kendrick Perkins?

It was nothing short of a salary dump. After Utah bought out Perkins they saved Miller Co a cool few million.
 
They took DJ Augustine, Kyle Singler and a 2019 2nd rounder for salary filler for him. I guarantee the Jazz could have easily offered a pittance of a package that was would have trumped that. And you do remember that we traded who is now a max contract guy and took on Kendrick Perkins?

It was nothing short of a salary dump. After Utah bought out Perkins they saved Miller Co a cool few million.
Yeah, I know the history. So basically it's an assumption that people are treating as fact. That we could have had Jackson if we wanted. Maybe true, maybe not. I do remember reading that OKC was hot for Singler for some reason. Ok, thanks.
 
It is also quite possible that OKC didn't wish to solidify a division rival's point guard position for the near future, especially as they were unsure about what will happen with their stars after a disappointing season. Just because the deal was available to Detroit, doesn't mean it was available to us.

Utah on the other hand probably didn't see a downside to OKC committing max salary to Enes Kanter. . .
 
In case anyone missed it before, I like to print out this thread regularly and wipe my *** with it.

Having said that, the one thing that Frank has gotten right in this thread, and possibly in his entire life, was that DL kinda screwed the pooch by taking back Pleiss and a crappy pick instead of RJ. However, that's all hindsight expertise as Frank has certainly mastered. The concern with RJ was the same as with Anes, in that he would be massively overpaid for a player that had legitimate question marks.

Keep in mind, Frank believes Trey Burke will blossom under a new system and DL blew it by paying way too much for Alec Burks.

Stay tuned...
 
Back
Top