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Looking for genuine discourse re: Donald Sterling/NBA

Hotttnickkk said:
Also I would bet $5 payable through PayPal to the charity of your choice that you're not a minority.
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Sigh. I'll give you $5 - to the charity of S.B.A.M. stop being a moron. And I hated 12 Years a Slave - I'm obviously a racist. You found me out you dumb mother****er you.
Saying that my race prevents me from having an opinion different from the narrative being rammed down our throats by espn, cnn, the mainstream media is the definition of racism, dip-****. My race isn't relevant.

Hotttnickkk said:
To me it's really clear cut. If he no longer has the capacity to adhere to what he had signed up for - then yeah it's pretty much time for you to hang up your gloves.
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Well, he hasn't broken the law, so what we're left with is the NBA constitution, which you've cited the specific part you claim he is in violation of:
an owner will not take any position or action that will materially and adversely affect a team or the league.
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What position did he take? He's not a guy who chases the spotlight. Someone illegally recorded a conversation where Stiviano was on a campaign to get Sterling to say something dumb (which we all have seen isn't hard to do - even for a moron like Stiviano). She was the one who kept harping on "why don't you like black people!" and he's the cornered old man saying repeatedly "leave me alone" but she won't leave it alone. She totally baited him and he's a moron who walks into being baited.

Owners also sign morals clauses, which state that they will be upheld to the highest standard of ethical and moral behavior.
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This is so vague. What are these clauses? Don't be racist? He pays all of his players and staff - regardless of race, so where's the racism? "Oh, but Elgin Baylor said once that he treats his employees like plantation workers?" Well, Baylor is wrong because what plantation worker was ever paid salary? This is obvious - which might be part of why Baylor's wrongful-termination suit was rejected. (He also claimed age-discrimination, so he played the race-card and the age-card, any card that might get him his job back! Why would Baylor want to work for what he considers a "plantation owner." this is so dumb)
Also, STERLING'S ENAMORED OF V. STIVIANO!! How can he be a racist when he wants to sleep with her? His "crime" as far as I can tell is he's too stupid to avoid the trap being set for him, and letting slip things that prove him to be obviously old and not very savvy.

Ok, so what's the argument against his ex-wife owning the team? She's not accused of racism. But the mob is on a rampage and won't be dissuaded by reason.

I'm not pro-Sterling. I'm anti-all this "finger-wagging" as Abdul-Jabbar put it. Many people over 75 seem to still have a little residual racism left in them from the era they grew up in, but what, are we gonna go bananas over it? They're old people, they're nearing senility. I'm amazed anyone gets their panties in a bunch over what they say. If they DID something, then that would be different - but they aren't doing anything. In contrast, Sterling does employ blacks, whites, doesn't matter - and pays them healthy salaries. The law forbids him from discriminating against them based on their race.

And don't forget the NAACP was about to give Sterling his SECOND lifetime achievement award. This whole thing reeks of a set-up. Various people have been trying to buy the clippers for years and then in 2012 this Stiviano decides to start this love affair with Sterling, all the while being friends with Magic Johnson - who happens to want to buy the team. This is gross.

All this finger-wagging and calling people "racist" isn't helping race relations. The media's getting people all stirred up and everyone's pointing fingers in an effort to distance themselves from racism. But racism isn't against the law. If it was we'd have to lock up many of the geriatrics, who are too old to do anything with their racism. It's just a stupid mindset from an era long past. But where is the actual racism here?
 
BENTLEY said:
Sigh. I'll give you $5 - to the charity of S.B.A.M. stop being a moron. And I hated 12 Years a Slave - I'm obviously a racist. You found me out you dumb mother****er you.
Saying that my race prevents me from having an opinion different from the narrative being rammed down our throats by espn, cnn, the mainstream media is the definition of racism, dip-****. My race isn't relevant.



Well, he hasn't broken the law, so what we're left with is the NBA constitution, which you've cited the specific part you claim he is in violation of:

What position did he take? He's not a guy who chases the spotlight. Someone illegally recorded a conversation where Stiviano was on a campaign to get Sterling to say something dumb (which we all have seen isn't hard to do - even for a moron like Stiviano). She was the one who kept harping on "why don't you like black people!" and he's the cornered old man saying repeatedly "leave me alone" but she won't leave it alone. She totally baited him and he's a moron who walks into being baited.


This is so vague. What are these clauses? Don't be racist? He pays all of his players and staff - regardless of race, so where's the racism? "Oh, but Elgin Baylor said once that he treats his employees like plantation workers?" Well, Baylor is wrong because what plantation worker was ever paid salary? This is obvious - which might be part of why Baylor's wrongful-termination suit was rejected. (He also claimed age-discrimination, so he played the race-card and the age-card, any card that might get him his job back! Why would Baylor want to work for what he considers a "plantation owner." this is so dumb)
Also, STERLING'S ENAMORED OF V. STIVIANO!! How can he be a racist when he wants to sleep with her? His "crime" as far as I can tell is he's too stupid to avoid the trap being set for him, and letting slip things that prove him to be obviously old and not very savvy.

Ok, so what's the argument against his ex-wife owning the team? She's not accused of racism. But the mob is on a rampage and won't be dissuaded by reason.

I'm not pro-Sterling. I'm anti-all this "finger-wagging" as Abdul-Jabbar put it. Many people over 75 seem to still have a little residual racism left in them from the era they grew up in, but what, are we gonna go bananas over it? They're old people, they're nearing senility. I'm amazed anyone gets their panties in a bunch over what they say. If they DID something, then that would be different - but they aren't doing anything. In contrast, Sterling does employ blacks, whites, doesn't matter - and pays them healthy salaries. The law forbids him from discriminating against them based on their race.

And don't forget the NAACP was about to give Sterling his SECOND lifetime achievement award. This whole thing reeks of a set-up. Various people have been trying to buy the clippers for years and then in 2012 this Stiviano decides to start this love affair with Sterling, all the while being friends with Magic Johnson - who happens to want to buy the team. This is gross.

All this finger-wagging and calling people "racist" isn't helping race relations. The media's getting people all stirred up and everyone's pointing fingers in an effort to distance themselves from racism. But racism isn't against the law. If it was we'd have to lock up many of the geriatrics, who are too old to do anything with their racism. It's just a stupid mindset from an era long past. But where is the actual racism here?
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^what he said.

this is a modern day salem witch hunt
 
I'm not agreeing with Sterling but lets be honest.... Magic Johnson is lucky as **** that he didn't infect his pregnant wife and unborn child with HIV.
 
Stoked said:
What does this have to do with anything?
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It shows the severity of the kind of life he was living. If he would have infected his family his life would have been over. He would not be the business mogul he is today. He would have been ostracized and seen as a monster.
 
Beantown said:
It shows the severity of the kind of life he was living. If he would have infected his family his life would have been over. He would not be the business mogul he is today. He would have been ostracized and seen as a monster.
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No it wouldn't have, people would not have cared. Even if it became a big news item it would have faded and been forgotten. Magic would still be rich and in business. Money speaks louder than fake moral outrage (speaking about the general public and not you specifically).
 
Stoked said:
No it wouldn't have, people would not have cared. Even if it became a big news item it would have faded and been forgotten. Magic would still be rich and in business. Money speaks louder than fake moral outrage (speaking about the general public and not you specifically).
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You're nuts. He could have faced legal issues for one thing. His wife would have divorced him and there is no way his kids would think much of him.

If your Dad cheated on your mom and infected you and your mother with HIV you would think it would just blow over?
 
Beantown said:
You're nuts. He could have faced legal issues for one thing. His wife would have divorced him and there is no way his kids would think much of him.

If your Dad cheated on your mom and infected you and your mother with HIV you would think it would just blow over?
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For me personally? No. For society? Yes I do. They wouldn't give two damns about me and my problems. Especially long term.

Only way Magic would face criminal issues is if he slept with and infected them without their knowledge. Kicky can you provide insight here?

Also plenty of divorced people are in business and rich. His wife divorcing him would not have ended any and all business opportunities he had. He was already rich and famous at that point.
 
Beantown said:
You're nuts. He could have faced legal issues for one thing. His wife would have divorced him and there is no way his kids would think much of him.

If your Dad cheated on your mom and infected you and your mother with HIV you would think it would just blow over?
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....I'm with you on this one! Plus, somehow, someway, he beat the HIV virus and continues to live on! His off the court life style was definitely pathetic and he dodged a bullet with the HIV probably because of the money he could spend on his treatment! By the way, seems like "Stoked" is pro-gay and a "sympathizer" to the cause....and he's a big time "moderator" on this board! Interesting.
 
BENTLEY said:
I watched the interview and I don't know how you can watch him and not pity the guy. He seems like a clueless old man. They exist. Sterling isn't the only one, and we're all headed there eventually. So I think it's kinda dumb that everybody's all up in arms about what he says publicly or privately. V. Stiviano is no one I want to side with - listen to her on the tape. I agree with what Kareem said about it - that just listening to it he felt like a sleazy accomplice to the crime being committed (recording the conversation).
And the whole interview Anderson Cooper was coaxing Sterling for more incendiary sound bites. And Sterling's a clueless old man who rambles some not wise ****. But is that a crime? I don't know what the NBA constitution says but I would think the US Constitution trumps it. Sterling hasn't broken the law. Even if he admits he's a racist - he still hasn't broken the law. This whole thing is such huffy self-righteous ********.
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Most clueless old men don't sue the **** out of everyone they have bad business deals with, and have history of paying the government to get off their back about race discrimination. Clueless old man? Maybe, but I see more of a dirty old bag of **** who didn't get some from V.Stivianwhore and was pissed about it.
 
Beantown said:
You're nuts. He could have faced legal issues for one thing. His wife would have divorced him and there is no way his kids would think much of him.

If your Dad cheated on your mom and infected you and your mother with HIV you would think it would just blow over?
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carolinajazz said:
....I'm with you on this one! Plus, somehow, someway, he beat the HIV virus and continues to live on! His off the court life style was definitely pathetic and he dodged a bullet with the HIV probably because of the money he could spend on his treatment! By the way, seems like "Stoked" is pro-gay and a "sympathizer" to the cause....and he's a big time "moderator" on this board! Interesting.
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@beantown

Carolinajazz is with you. HAHA
 
b_line said:
Clueless old man? Maybe, but I see more of a dirty old bag of **** who didn't get some from V.Stivianwhore and was pissed about it.
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Well, what you see and what I see is very similar. But is getting pissed about being teased and ****-blocked against the law?
Yeah, on the illegally recorded tape he sounded insecure and jealous of Magic Johnson, who Stiviano was posing with. It irritated him. And why? 'cause he's old and feels inadequate. His response was often focused on the color of Magic's skin (always guided back to this by Stiviano) but the racist stuff he said was in the jealous, unchecked heat of the moment provoked by Stiviano's incessant badgering. He's not bright. He's jealous. He's old. He said stuff in the heat of the moment - not realizing that it would be broadcast to the world. But his words here don't line up with his actions - the NAACP was about to give him his second lifetime achievement award. Also, just because people in the past have levied charges against you (of which you were found innocent) doesn't mean that you are, all of a sudden, guilty because everybody's swallowing the propaganda. Baylor had no case.

I don't love Sterling. Like he said of Magic, the guy's no example for the youth of L.A. either. I'm not defending him. I'm defending the rule of LAW. The mob is looking to overstep it.

Where are the lawyers to help me out here?
 
Beantown said:
It shows the severity of the kind of life he was living. If he would have infected his family his life would have been over. He would not be the business mogul he is today. He would have been ostracized and seen as a monster.
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as we learned from this debacle people don't care if you actually harmed people physically or bring them in direct physical danger.

people only care what you think and say in your private home..


so magic johnson, jason kid, crymello anthony = GOOD


sterling = EVIL!
 
BENTLEY said:
Well, what you see and what I see is very similar. But is getting pissed about being teased and ****-blocked against the law?
Yeah, on the illegally recorded tape he sounded insecure and jealous of Magic Johnson, who Stiviano was posing with. It irritated him. And why? 'cause he's old and feels inadequate. His response was often focused on the color of Magic's skin (always guided back to this by Stiviano) but the racist stuff he said was in the jealous, unchecked heat of the moment provoked by Stiviano's incessant badgering. He's not bright. He's jealous. He's old. He said stuff in the heat of the moment - not realizing that it would be broadcast to the world. But his words here don't line up with his actions - the NAACP was about to give him his second lifetime achievement award. Also, just because people in the past have levied charges against you (of which you were found innocent) doesn't mean that you are, all of a sudden, guilty because everybody's swallowing the propaganda. Baylor had no case.

I don't love Sterling. Like he said of Magic, the guy's no example for the youth of L.A. either. I'm not defending him. I'm defending the rule of LAW. The mob is looking to overstep it.

Where are the lawyers to help me out here?
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Has he been charged with a crime?

The "mob" isn't taking his team. The other owners are forcing him to sell because he violated a contract he signed with them. He owns a franchise which means he does have a responsibility to the larger brand(NBA).
 
heyhey said:
Has he been charged with a crime?

The "mob" isn't taking his team. The other owners are forcing him to sell because he violated a contract he signed with them. He owns a franchise which means he does have a responsibility to the larger brand(NBA).
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the mon is forcing the nba into action.
 
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