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Looking for genuine discourse re: Donald Sterling/NBA

Also,

is this on a video or just a audio tape?


cus she could easily entrap him.

by saying he donald, i need to pratice for this movie/play.
would you help me read this script.
he says okay. lets have it.
and she records it and does that.

hahahaha
 
JimLes said:
Only the middle one is an example of it not being the feeling of superiority, and based on admittedly nothing more than conjecture, I would think it covers very few cases. The other two clearly boil down to superiority/inferiority issues. Yeah, I knew kids(went to a Jewish middle school) whose grandparents refused to buy any German products. Never mind the fact that in a globalized world, something like this is actually impossible(where does something come from often has more than one answer), but it's prejudice. Sure, I feel some sympathy because we're dealing with Holocaust survivors, but assuming that the modern German state and today's German's are evil is racism.

Same goes for number 3. Assuming that Polish people are inherently good and non-Polish people might not be is racism. Whatever the details are, you're judging someone based on (possibly automatic and not chosen) membership in a certain group instead of their character qualities.
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1-I think you're stretching here. A fear of another race does not mean that you feel that race is inferior. I would imagine that the opposite is true more often. An example here is unnecessary.

2-This is one that I think might best apply to Mr. Sterling. He's afraid of what others think of him.

3- If it is truly a fear of the unknown, how can you have feelings of inferiority or superiority? It's the fear of not knowing. If I told you that you would be playing someone in a game of Chess, and you knew nothing about this person, it would be difficult to generate a feeling of superiority or inferiority. Your confidence and feelings would only be a reflection of how you feel about YOURSELF, not how you feel about your opponent.
 
Barrack "OBEEZY" Hussein Obama said:
When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don’t really have to do anything, you just let them talk
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now he said advertise
donald did not advertise.
seem like obeezy is now ignorant.

omg what a ignorant president you guys have.

not even defending the freedom of speech.

ooh wait if he has his way he'll burn the constitution
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
1-I think you're stretching here. A fear of another race does not mean that you feel that race is inferior. I would imagine that the opposite is true more often. An example here is unnecessary.

2-This is one that I think might best apply to Mr. Sterling. He's afraid of what others think of him.

3- If it is truly a fear of the unknown, how can you have feelings of inferiority or superiority? It's the fear of not knowing. If I told you that you would be playing someone in a game of Chess, and you knew nothing about this person, it would be difficult to generate a feeling of superiority or inferiority. Your confidence and feelings would only be a reflection of how you feel about YOURSELF, not how you feel about your opponent.
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I think the problem here is that you've adopted a pretty narrow, one-dimensional definition of racism.

Racism is not all one and the same-- it comes it different forms, has different ways of it being justified, and it's even dealt with on a spectrum of permissiveness from strict prohibition to it being perfectly legal and or institutionalized. From what I can tell, you seem to only perceive something is racist when it has complete irrationality in contemporary society-- but racism comes in many forms.

Sure, it seems logical to tell your son to not marry an Arab, as you fear what that culture might be about-- or you have a fear that your own son's cultural allegiance might be diluted.

Still, this is typically rooted in nationalism, vanity, and stereotypes-- all of which can be found in the spectrum of racism.
 
"Obeezy"

I like it
 
At the time, I said Chris Paul was an idoit for signing a new contract under this racist. All this reaction by Magic, LBJ, Kobe, Doc, LMA's black sock gang ... they're a bunch of tough guys right now with the media behind their back. Where the hell were they when Blake needed a contract? Or CP3? Magic Johnson didn't say a damned thing back then. "It's a damn shame" that Kobe didn't nut up and say something when Donald Sterling could have actually been hurt by his racism.
 
DutchJazzer said:
cant take credit for it.

it was on boondocks

they even have a song D*** riding Obeezy.

season 3 episode. would post a youtube clip but those damm mods took my freedom of speech
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Lol.

Boondocks is pretty coo
 
JimLes said:
And you can't do any of that if you marry someone of different background?
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My own experience with interracial marriage opened my eyes to a whole lot of little things that can be problems in a relationship, a lot of them because of the different perspectives/background/experiences. It's hard, really. People who do it successfully work pretty hard to bridge all those gaps. . . . Not saying kissing cousins in the same little neck of the woods won't have their own issues. . . . .but in a culture where you get maybe five seconds to make a good first impression and spark an interest from another person, a lot of people will choose to marry someone they more or less feel they understand to begin with. . . ..

The case in point of the old white guy and young girlfriend and the old white woman. . . . smells to me like this particular story was something of a set up for the old fool. Some old guys with lots of money think they are above the law, and above the regular social rules as well. Triangular fights between two women and a lot of money. . . . . Pretty sure the young girlfriend didn't lose much real love for the old man.
 
babe said:
My own experience with interracial marriage opened my eyes to a whole lot of little things that can be problems in a relationship, a lot of them because of the different perspectives/background/experiences. It's hard, really.
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Mail order brides normally come with a 30 month expiration date.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Moral of the Story: Don't trust dem gold diggin' hoes.
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I heard something on the radio driving to work this morning-- some professor of something somewhere saying that this was as much a case of sexism as racism, and that Sterling should be held accountable for both in the form of penalties to his enterprises as a businessman. It made me laugh. I mean, really? I'll refrain from expressing my opinion about this jackass and whether or not someone should egg and toilet paper his house as a consequence of this situation, but why has nobody bothered to comment on the real head-shaker here? Specifically, I'm talking about the morbid sideshow that is two women scrambling desperately after a fat, classless, married, laughing stock of the NBA, octagenarian Don Sterling-- Don ****ing Sterling! Seriously? Have you all seen pictures of this man? I'm sorry, but the three of them-- him, his wife, and his ex-girlfriend-- are ridiculous human beings, and I can't believe anybody is taking any of them seriously. This media soap box rant is nothing less than marketshare whores squeezing every last drop of righteous indignation out of us that we will allow them. None of this is a story; none of this is important. Don Sterling's comments show that he is a bigot, and a hypocrite, and that his personal beliefs are strange, especially in light of his public life (NBA team ownership, philanthropic efforts recognized by the NAACP, extramarital relations with a Mexican/African American woman, etc.), but that's pretty much it, people. Did nobody know until now that Don Sterling is a simpering nincompoop? An oblivious, loose-boweled, fart? Well, he is. And you know what sucks about that? It still doesn't make him ineligibile to own an NBA team, dammit.
 
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franklin said:
Mail order brides normally come with a 30 month expiration date.
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hell yeah. Probably the Mexican/black girl was born here to a nice Mexican girl who wanted some security in life, so technically not a "Mail Order Bride". I, on the other hand, thought of myself as "Lord Jim" because filipino women are a lot nicer about some things than Stateside women. My wife was raised rich, with servants she could beat mercilessly whenever she felt like it. Her uncle was a loyal friend to the director of the CIA back in the day, a fellow name Bush I believe, and part of the Marcos Government. Her parents decided I was a nice boy, for whatever reason. . . . .

Most men are basically fools, somehow, over women.
 
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olden_undercover said:
And you know what sucks about that? It still doesn't make him ineligibile to own an NBA team, dammit.
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I always grapple with this. I've only lived in the USA so I cannot truly say from experience what it's like to live in other countries with different governments and societies. Though it sucks that humans suck (a stark reality some come upon at various ages, but many never grasp), I appreciate society in the USA more so than I believe I would a communist one, or any other economic/cultural setup you can find around the world. For clarity, I have never lived in any other country besides the USA so I can't speak from experience but I appreciate the fact theoretically any upstanding citizen can achieve great wealth among countless other 'freedoms'.

So I can't say I think it sucks Donald Sterling is eligible to be in the position he's in. We could choose 100,000 people from CEO's of big companies, to government officials, to other sports owners, to pro athletes, to clergymen, to housewives and base criminals, or anyone in between and find out things they want to keep private - and the same public outrage would ensue.

I also believe there's an entire psychological element to the pitchfork crowd rooted in the competitiveness bred from a capitalist society imprinted into their personalities. If they weren't so simple-minded, and possessed some ability to look at things in a more complex fashion, they could harness that competitiveness and not just have it manifested into blind envy/rage. I only comment on it because if that were the case, these stories wouldn't interest anyone thus the money-grubbing media wouldn't shove it down our throats.
 
This might not be a popular opinion and I haven't read any of the posts in this thread but I don't think Sterling is a racist, though, I do think the dude's a bigot like a mother****er. Furthermore, his positions are so inconsistent, it shows you the illogical mind of a bigot.
 
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Does the name Marge Schott ring any bells? One-time owner of the Cincinnati Reds who made lots of controversial comments.

One big difference (IMO) is that she made her comments publicly, in some cases even during interviews with reporters.

Anyhow, one thing IS for certain - Donald Sterling has not shown the best judgement in choosing girlfriends.
 
moevillini said:
Does the name Marge Schott ring any bells? One-time owner of the Cincinnati Reds who made lots of controversial comments.

One big difference (IMO) is that she made her comments publicly, in some cases even during interviews with reporters..
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Well that's the essential difference - Schott would spout off in interviews and meetings about almost every race, creed and color - she hated everyone with the exception of her dog and Hitler and didn't care who knew. Although, IIRC while you can argue she was forced out through multiple fines and suspensions, she was never explicitly directed to sell her interest in The Reds.

moevillini said:
Anyhow, one thing IS for certain - Donald Sterling has not shown the best judgement in choosing girlfriends.
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That may be Sterling's saving grace - this piece of work is undoubtedly going to try to cash in even further on her 15 minutes of fame and as a result may end up absorbing the backlash.
 
moevillini said:
Does the name Marge Schott ring any bells? One-time owner of the Cincinnati Reds who made lots of controversial comments.

One big difference (IMO) is that she made her comments publicly, in some cases even during interviews with reporters.

Anyhow, one thing IS for certain - Donald Sterling has not shown the best judgement in choosing girlfriends.
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Of course most people here remember her. But that was almost 20 years ago she made those comments. Times have changed, people have changed, acceptability in terms of speak has changed. People don't want to hear that garbage anymore.
 
VINYLONE said:
Of course most people here remember her. But that was almost 20 years ago she made those comments. Times have changed, people have changed, acceptability in terms of speak has changed. People don't want to hear that garbage anymore.
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The people who knew about Schott back then found her character just as repugnant as the people do now with Sterling. The times have definitely changed in terms of media and how people consume news, and the amount of people. Whereas mostly casual sports fans knew of Schott, many more people are being exposed to this Sterling story because of all the changes in media - on every level. But I totally disagree about acceptability - it's not like this is a bigger story because more people are outraged whereas more people were okay with Schott. Not enough people knew about Schott.
 
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