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Looking for genuine discourse re: Donald Sterling/NBA

VINYLONE said:
You and the people of your ilk are getting more and more marginalized. I know you feel it and I know what you see going on around you. I feel how scared you are of the impending change in the populace and how uncomfortable you feel when people of color are in positions of power. Positions that will allow them to change social policy. It's a blind hate that encompasses you and mandates you to give support and rationale to the worst our society has to offer.

Don't worry though, we don't live forever. I guess that's some solace. Or, you can always say that "oath" to yourself as you fall asleep...you know which one.
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Awefully presumptuous of you.
 
VINYLONE said:
You and the people of your ilk are getting more and more marginalized. I know you feel it and I know what you see going on around you. I feel how scared you are of the impending change in the populace and how uncomfortable you feel when people of color are in positions of power. Positions that will allow them to change social policy. It's a blind hate that encompasses you and mandates you to give support and rationale to the worst our society has to offer.

Don't worry though, we don't live forever. I guess that's some solace. Or, you can always say that "oath" to yourself as you fall asleep...you know which one.
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WTH? My ILK? Dude, the death of the family is a huge problem with society. I know its fashionable to say any arrangement is good, but it isn't. I came from a single parent household, and there are definitely disadvantages to it. It is more pronounced in the black community right now based on culture, but that doesn't mean that everyone else isn't hell bent on getting there too.

Are you going to sit there and tell me that there are no lasting consequences from a 72 or 68 or hell even a 50 percent out of wedlock rate? Is Bill Cosby one of my "ilk," because he is right there with me. . .

Also, this borders on a personal attack, no? This is why you can't have discussions with liberal ideologues. . .
 
One Brow said:
That's some truly cogent social analysis. Thanks.
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It was flippant, yes. But the message is: if you want to decrease pregnancies among the unwed, you teach abstinence and responsibility. If the man doesn't want to put a raincoat on junior, the woman needs to either refuse or use birth control herself. And don't glorify being a single mom. I know several. And it's hell for them. Don't sugarcoat it in the media.
 
Just read that UCLA rejected a 3 million gift from Sterling for kidney research.

That seems foolish to me. Sterling is who he is and that has been made clear thru all of this. But why not use his money to help medical research or other worthy causes? I get the whole core valuues argument and I am glad UCLA does not share them. But this does not help their cause. Is shunning him really worth the losses and delays in research and charities that denying his money will bring?
 
b_line said:
Cyrone Torbin said:
Will a battle really effect the value of his franchise that much?

His team has two superstars and is based in Los Angeles. Don't think there is much he can do to hurt the name that much. Besides, a new owner could always just rename the team.
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If those superstars decide to pursue having their contracts voided rather than play for the racist owner, then the franchise will certainly start to lose some value. If Sterling remains the owner, Chris Paul and Doc Rivers have already voiced that they would at least have to reconsider their involvement with the team. I would bet that most of the players would probably find their way to another team.
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Yep. And if this becomes a multi-year thing as is very possible, not only will players & coaches leave/not go there, but fan attendance will drop. And other penalties could be brought to bear, such as loss of draft picks, etc. Absolutely the value of the franchise will be affected.
 
framer said:
WTH? My ILK? Dude, the death of the family is a huge problem with society.
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Meh. Religious fear mongering tbh. Family structure shrinks and grows and shrinks again based largely on economic opportunity.

framer said:
It is more pronounced in the black community right now based on culture, but that doesn't mean that everyone else isn't hell bent on getting there too.
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Do you realize that's about as racist a statement as you could make? Culture has little to do with it, and it's either ignorance or racism to assume it does.
 
franklin said:
Meh. Religious fear mongering tbh. Family structure shrinks and grows and shrinks again based largely on economic opportunity.
Do you realize that's about as racist a statement as you could make? Culture has little to do with it, and it's either ignorance or racism to assume it does.
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Uggg. One brow has infected your mind.

You can't claim a cause-effect relationship anymore than framer.
 
President Obama supports NBA's ban of Sterling


Posted Apr 30, 2014 2:18 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama is supporting the NBA's lifetime ban against Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling.

That's according to White House press secretary Jay Carney. Carney said Wednesday that Obama believes the league did the right thing in response to Sterling's racist comments.

Obama had weighed into the controversy over the weekend during a trip to Asia. The president called Sterling's secretly recorded comments "incredibly offensive racist statements."

Obama also cast Sterling's remarks as part of a continuing legacy of slavery and discrimination that Americans have to constantly be on guard against.

NBA Commissioner Adam Silver announced the punishment Tuesday. Silver also said he will try to force a sale of the Clippers and fined Sterling $2.5 million.
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trololololololol
that commie ******** backs the nba
 
franklin said:
Meh. Religious fear mongering tbh. Family structure shrinks and grows and shrinks again based largely on economic opportunity.



Do you realize that's about as racist a statement as you could make? Culture has little to do with it, and it's either ignorance or racism to assume it does.
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See here I am thinking that assuming culture because of race is stereotyping, which is racism, no? Or is it possible that racism is whatever Franklin and company want it to be at any given moment depending upon their mood. . .
 
framer said:
See here I am thinking that assuming culture because of race is stereotyping, which is racism, no? Or is it possible that racism is whatever Franklin and company want it to be at any given moment depending upon their mood. . .
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You specified "black community".

Tell you what, read up on the 20th century history of the black family unit and get back to me. I'll be surprised if you don't come back realizing just how wrong your culture comment is.
 
framer said:
WTH? My ILK?...This is why you can't have discussions with liberal ideologues. . .
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I'm still trying to figure out why you posted those stats. How are they relevant to the discussion? Is it safe to assume you're not implying that discrimination/marginalization of individuals based on the marriage rate of their ethnic/racial/cultural group is ok? Again, what was your point?
 
GVC said:
I'm still trying to figure out why you posted those stats. How are they relevant to the discussion? Is it safe to assume you're not implying that discrimination/marginalization of individuals based on the marriage rate of their ethnic/racial/cultural group is ok? Again, what was your point?
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On the contrary, I was implying that this was NOT OK. There are real issues that need to be addressed, and Donald Sterling barely even registers on the solution scale. Rather than do the heavy lifting it is going to take to start fixing the problem, it is much easier to pillory Donald Sterling. You want to fix inner city education, expand school choice. (Can't do that because some kids my be educated by Christianists!) You want more responsible men, stop glorifying misogynists in our culture, and stop with the double standards. If it is bad for one group of people to do it is bad for everyone. Also, the legal system has problems that definitely need to be addressed, but they range far beyond race. Little of this can be done by legislation, which is hard. But for many people "we got Donald Sterling!!!" lets them off the hook for a year or two. Bread and Circuses.
 
framer said:
On the contrary, I was implying that this was NOT OK. There are real issues that need to be addressed, and Donald Sterling barely even registers on the solution scale. Rather than do the heavy lifting it is going to take to start fixing the problem, it is much easier to pillory Donald Sterling...But for many people "we got Donald Sterling!!!" lets them off the hook for a year or two.
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FWIW, I think Donald Sterling's history of housing discrimination, especially if it's indicative of a larger trend, registers. Hell, it's directly related to the school choice problems you've alluded to.

I agree that the recording being discussed is fairly innocuous (IMO), and the punishment incredibly harsh. Some have argued that this episode provides the concrete evidence needed to finally punish Sterling for his past misdeeds (related to both racial discrimination and poor management decisions). I don't necessarily have a problem with that.

As for people going the "we got Donald Sterling!!" route to justify their apathy, I agree as well. I thought Bomani Jones and Kareem (to a lesser extent) were pretty spot on in their analysis of the situation.
 
the mob trying to crucify sterling is just like the salem witch trials.
and other ignorant mob mentality throughout history

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in hindsight everytime mob took up pitchforks it has been wrong.
 
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