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spycam1 said:
He's a role player for ****s sake.
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This is some reductionist ********.

The deeper one digs on Kawhi, the better he looks. Per Synergy Sports, better than 28% of Kawhi's terminal possessions (shot, shooting foul or turnover) come out of isos, post-ups and as the ball handler in pick and rolls (that is, on-ball). He ranked in the top 10 in the NBA in points per possession in each of those three shot types this season. The numbers on drives and pull-ups in the NBA's player tracking data confirm that he's effective with the ball in his hands. The Spurs, of course, have at least 3 other capable on-ball scorers/creators (Tony, Manu and Timmy; Boris and Patty?), and a few terrific off-ball players (Tiago, Danny Green, Belinelli), so projecting Kawhi's offensive contributions in any other (read: non-perfect) situation is incredibly difficult. With that said, the raw numbers are impressive (note: Kawhi's terrific in transition and off cuts as well...he's actually a pretty mediocre spot-up shooter per Synergy Sports). When you also consider that he's one of the top perimeter defenders in the league, you definitely have the makings of a potential franchise player.
 
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Yeah. I don't know why I or anyone else thought that a guy that should get a shot at NBA head coaching THIS OFFSEASON would be an assistant to not just a first-time NBA head coach, but one for a dismal team.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Yeah. I don't know why I or anyone else thought that a guy that should get a shot at NBA head coaching THIS OFFSEASON would be an assistant to not just a first-time NBA head coach, but one for a dismal team.
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Also consider that Popovich is potentially very close to retirement (hasn't he said he goes when Duncan goes?) so it makes 100% sense to go to the Spurs if he wants to be a HC eventually. He would be in line to replace Pop.

In Utah he would just be helping a young coach get a contract extension, or just not have his contributions look that great on a struggling team.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Also consider that Popovich is potentially very close to retirement (hasn't he said he goes when Duncan goes?) so it makes 100% sense to go to the Spurs if he wants to be a HC eventually. He would be in line to replace Pop.

In Utah he would just be helping a young coach get a contract extension, or just not have his contributions look that great on a struggling team.
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Srsly?
 
GVC said:
This is some reductionist ********.

The deeper one digs on Kawhi, the better he looks. Per Synergy Sports, better than 28% of Kawhi's terminal possessions (shot, shooting foul or turnover) come out of isos, post-ups and as the ball handler in pick and rolls (that is, on-ball). He ranked in the top 10 in the NBA in points per possession in each of those three shot types this season. The numbers on drives and pull-ups in the NBA's player tracking data confirm that he's effective with the ball in his hands. The Spurs, of course, have at least 3 other capable on-ball scorers/creators (Tony, Manu and Timmy; Boris and Patty?), and a few terrific off-ball players (Tiago, Danny Green, Belinelli), so projecting Kawhi's offensive contributions in any other (read: non-perfect) situation is incredibly difficult. With that said, the raw numbers are impressive (note: Kawhi's terrific in transition and off cuts as well...he's actually a pretty mediocre spot-up shooter per Synergy Sports). When you also consider that he's one of the top perimeter defenders in the league, you definitely have the makings of a potential franchise player.
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So what is he? You called him a potential franchise player, but what is he now?

I'd say he's an elite role player and his role is defense. He's a great player, nothing wrong with that. He fits into the offense very well, but is not going to be creating offense on a regular basis.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Also consider that Popovich is potentially very close to retirement (hasn't he said he goes when Duncan goes?) so it makes 100% sense to go to the Spurs if he wants to be a HC eventually. He would be in line to replace Pop.

In Utah he would just be helping a young coach get a contract extension, or just not have his contributions look that great on a struggling team.
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All of that makes a lot of sense.
 
GVC said:
This is some reductionist ********.

The deeper one digs on Kawhi, the better he looks. Per Synergy Sports, better than 28% of Kawhi's terminal possessions (shot, shooting foul or turnover) come out of isos, post-ups and as the ball handler in pick and rolls (that is, on-ball). He ranked in the top 10 in the NBA in points per possession in each of those three shot types this season. The numbers on drives and pull-ups in the NBA's player tracking data confirm that he's effective with the ball in his hands. The Spurs, of course, have at least 3 other capable on-ball scorers/creators (Tony, Manu and Timmy; Boris and Patty?), and a few terrific off-ball players (Tiago, Danny Green, Belinelli), so projecting Kawhi's offensive contributions in any other (read: non-perfect) situation is incredibly difficult. With that said, the raw numbers are impressive (note: Kawhi's terrific in transition and off cuts as well...he's actually a pretty mediocre spot-up shooter per Synergy Sports). When you also consider that he's one of the top perimeter defenders in the league, you definitely have the makings of a potential franchise player.
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I think of a franchise player being the best player on a championship caliber team. For instance, I think there's only 3 (maybe 4) guys in the 2014 draft that have even a remote shot at being that good. And that's in a great draft.

I don't think Leonard will ever be good enough offensively to be considered a legit franchise player. Not even close.
 
Let's give Snyder a shot at Burks and see what kind of player he can become. I would love to see Burks, Murphy, Kanter realizing their potential.
 
Are we going to light the city on fire when Boylen is hired? Just because he can't teach college kids with low talent how to play b-ball doesn't mean he cant be a good assistant for our mighty Jazz.
 
GVC said:
This is some reductionist ********.

The deeper one digs on Kawhi, the better he looks. Per Synergy Sports, better than 28% of Kawhi's terminal possessions (shot, shooting foul or turnover) come out of isos, post-ups and as the ball handler in pick and rolls (that is, on-ball). He ranked in the top 10 in the NBA in points per possession in each of those three shot types this season. The numbers on drives and pull-ups in the NBA's player tracking data confirm that he's effective with the ball in his hands. The Spurs, of course, have at least 3 other capable on-ball scorers/creators (Tony, Manu and Timmy; Boris and Patty?), and a few terrific off-ball players (Tiago, Danny Green, Belinelli), so projecting Kawhi's offensive contributions in any other (read: non-perfect) situation is incredibly difficult. With that said, the raw numbers are impressive (note: Kawhi's terrific in transition and off cuts as well...he's actually a pretty mediocre spot-up shooter per Synergy Sports). When you also consider that he's one of the top perimeter defenders in the league, you definitely have the makings of a potential franchise player.
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I'm curious how often he is used. while those stats may be impressive to whoever understands any of that ish, they could speak more to the intelligence and coaching of the spurs. while they run most of their offense through parker and ginobli, they alao excel at identifying mismatches and will go to a guy like kawhi when the odds are decidedly in his favor, i.e. posting up JL III or smth (extreme example, I know). naturally, he'll perform well on these "terminal" when he has such a favorable matchup.

I'm not saying this is the case everytime, but when you tony parker, manu, and Duncan on your team, and you're gonna go to kawhi to make a play, you better be damn sure he's in a situation where he'll be efficient in doing so. so maybe the stats are saying that the spurs actually underestimate his ability.

either way, I don't see him as a guy who is gonna be making the majority of the plays on offense for any team. but he's really good, and is a dude that championship teams need
 
tonstermits said:
Are we going to light the city on fire when Boylen is hired? Just because he can't teach college kids with low talent how to play b-ball doesn't mean he cant be a good assistant for our mighty Jazz.
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Yes. Hiring Boylen would be like selling the Jazz to Sterling. Not cool
 
Yeah sure wish we could have had him. But you're kidding yourselves if you think the jazz didn't contact Messina to gauge interest. Messina has to want to come here. This job Messina just got with the Spurs didn't JUST happen.

Having said that I just like Snyder a lot so I don't give a rats *** about Messina anymore.

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Duck Rodgers said:
Nice move. Hasn't Pop said he's basically done when Duncan is? Coach in waiting.
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Yep, that's how I see it.
But hard to fault Utah. We'll never know if Lindsey and Zanik talked to Ettore about the HC position when they were there. My guess is they did and Messina just laughed. He wants to coach winners. Utah isn't at that point yet.
 
"@DJJazzyJody: Hold the Italian phone? Spurs GM denies report about Ettore Messina becoming a San Antonio assistant. Via @Monroe_SA: https://t.co/bQgF9uFO1U"
 
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