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Lyles is the pick at 12

Stifle Tower said:
Why do people go to college? I mean outside of the beer, drugs and sex? Isn't it to get out of their parent's basement (unlike many of the posters on this board?). No, seriously, most go to college to get on a better career path. If you can get a guaranteed $3-$12M for 3 years, you DO IT!

Then if your career ends after a 3 year stint in the NBA you can always go back to college for a degree. And what a first job to put on a resume: pro basketball player for 3 years in the NBA. Any player who is a lock to go in the first round is an idiot to turn that down.
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As a low level NBA player you can still make more money in a few years than you could working a good job that pays even as much as a 100,000 a year. Which probably still isn't likely. You are more likely to make about 75,000 a year. It would take you a long time just to reach your first million or two working a regular job. Then you could also save a buttload of money in interest by not having a house payment. Maybe even make some money off investments. If you handled your money right.

If you can get drafted in the first round. Skipping the rest of college is a no brainer. You can always go back.
 
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Most grads don't make even that much. And face it, a lot of these players aren't at the top of the ladder in terms of majors and GPA's. They're mostly at college to play ball, not get an education (some exceptions such as those who play at Stanford, an Ivy League school, etc.).

The salary at the back end of the 1st round is just under $1M/per. And isn't that guaranteed for 3 years? That's 30 years of making $100K/per.
 
Hack said:
If you can get drafted in the first round. Skipping the rest of college is a no brainer. You can always go back.
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So by that logic Delon Wright should have skipped his senior season and declared after his junior season, been picked late in the 1st round, might have even slipped to 2nd round, you never know. Yet he comes back for his senior season, leads the team to a sweet 16 run, gets national exposure gains and improves his draft stock along the way, enough so that Toronto sends Vazquez packing and they take him at 20 a lot higher than he would have likely gone before. Yeah Delon could have just taken the money after one year at Utah but he stuck around and it ended up better for everyone involved.
 
prodigy said:
So by that logic Delon Wright should have skipped his senior season and declared after his junior season, been picked late in the 1st round, might have even slipped to 2nd round, you never know. Yet he comes back for his senior season, leads the team to a sweet 16 run, gets national exposure gains and improves his draft stock along the way, enough so that Toronto sends Vazquez packing and they take him at 20 a lot higher than he would have likely gone before. Yeah Delon could have just taken the money after one year at Utah but he stuck around and it ended up better for everyone involved.
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No, outside of Utah his name was barely mentioned last season. He was by no means a "lock" to get taken in the first round. That's why some explore their projected draft position and then withdraw before the deadline. But yes, if a player is certain to go in the 1st round, it's much better for him to take the money and run. He could have a bad year, get hurt, have bad workouts, be in a deeper draft pool, etc. and drop out of the 1st round the next season.
 
prodigy said:
So by that logic Delon Wright should have skipped his senior season and declared after his junior season, been picked late in the 1st round, might have even slipped to 2nd round, you never know. Yet he comes back for his senior season, leads the team to a sweet 16 run, gets national exposure gains and improves his draft stock along the way, enough so that Toronto sends Vazquez packing and they take him at 20 a lot higher than he would have likely gone before. Yeah Delon could have just taken the money after one year at Utah but he stuck around and it ended up better for everyone involved.
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Either situation would have been good.
What would have been bad is if he chose to stay, then played worse or got injured.
 
Stifle Tower said:
No, outside of Utah his name was barely mentioned last season. He was by no means a "lock" to get taken in the first round. That's why some explore their projected draft position and then withdraw before the deadline. But yes, if a player is certain to go in the 1st round, it's much better for him to take the money and run. He could have a bad year, get hurt, have bad workouts, be in a deeper draft pool, etc. and drop out of the 1st round the next season.
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After digesting the draft and the rumors that came out after (about how expensive/impossible moving up was) I am actually happy with how it turned out. If any of those guys was underutilized and therefore undervalued it was Trey. I think he has a real shot at being a playmaking four and may have the mobility to guard guys like Draymond Green. I think it was a good gamble and they've been on this guy since HS. Not sure why there is so much hate amongst fans.

Obviously was disappointed we couldn't move up but if 4 first rounders (one of which was rumored to be a BKN pick) can't move you up then I'd rather keep my assets. My only question is will Trey operate as our third big or fourth or fifth? Don't think he is ready for the 3rd big role. A lot depends on free agency/trades, but I think this actually increases the chances we keep Booker for a year while Trey goes through his rookie struggles.
 
Stifle Tower said:
No, outside of Utah his name was barely mentioned last season. He was by no means a "lock" to get taken in the first round. That's why some explore their projected draft position and then withdraw before the deadline. But yes, if a player is certain to go in the 1st round, it's much better for him to take the money and run. He could have a bad year, get hurt, have bad workouts, be in a deeper draft pool, etc. and drop out of the 1st round the next season.
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Someone should ask the Harrisons about this... Generally staying in school when you are going to be a first round pick is stupid. Develop in the NBA where they don't have restrictions on time and money spent and also have a vested interest in your development.

Poetl made a mistake imo. He may be saved by the fact that the draft is shallow next year, but if he doesn't come in and improve a bunch the whole "potential" draft bump really starts to fade.
 
I met a friend of Jud Buechler some years ago. That guy was making $720,000 per year basically to work out and go through practices with the Bulls. Wasn't a bad gig he said.
 
The money between the 20th pick and a top 5 pick is big enough to go back to school.

Delon went back to school to solidify his spot as a first rounder.

Poeltl is going back to school to solidify his spot as a top 10, hopefully top 5 pick.

If Poetlt gets taken in the top 5, then there is no question he made the right decision.

As far as money goes, I'd bet he has insurance to cover the money he would have gotten as a late first round pick. I think it's smart for him to have gone back to school.
 
green said:
The money between the 20th pick and a top 5 pick is big enough to go back to school.

Delon went back to school to solidify his spot as a first rounder.

Poeltl is going back to school to solidify his spot as a top 10, hopefully top 5 pick.

If Poetlt gets taken in the top 5, then there is no question he made the right decision.

As far as money goes, I'd bet he has insurance to cover the money he would have gotten as a late first round pick. I think it's smart for him to have gone back to school.
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What about the fact that he gets his big money contract a year later? Insurance will cover some, but likely not all if he is injured. Guy would have gone 15ish this year... If he doesn't show improvement in his body and skills will he get picked top ten... maybe? If he stays the same or only gets a little better could he slide to the second round?

When you add in the extra training that NBA guys get and there is no way it was a smart business decision to go back. If it was for other reasons then so be it, but as far as business goes he should have come out.
 
Interesting tidbit from Locke's podcast today.

With Booker he mentions that his contract is written in such a way that from 07/01/15 thru 07/15/15 he is basically a non guaranteed contract. That the Jazz are ready to pounce on anything that comes up that they like and could trade Booker.

Plays up Lyles balance, IQ, "mistake avoidance" and other intangibles.
 
Stoked said:
Interesting tidbit from Locke's podcast today.

With Booker he mentions that his contract is written in such a way that from 07/01/15 thru 07/15/15 he is basically a non guaranteed contract. That the Jazz are ready to pounce on anything that comes up that they like and could trade Booker.

Plays up Lyles balance, IQ, "mistake avoidance" and other intangibles.
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Just don't quite get Locke's comps for Trey Lyles being either a more talented Nick Collison or David Lee.
 
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