Especially since the bread and butter to those guys' games (at least in their early career) was hustling. I don't know that to be a particular strength of Lyles. Might even be a weakness of his?
Lyles is the pick at 12
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Especially since the bread and butter to those guys' games (at least in their early career) was hustling. I don't know that to be a particular strength of Lyles. Might even be a weakness of his?
He is a bit of a hustler going after lose balls and rebounds, etc. I just don't see a lot of passing in those guys' games which I hope is a main feature to Lyles' game in the NBA.
zyzz
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On a podcast before the draft, Chad Ford was talking about Lyles and the host asked if Lyles would be a higher pick if people saw him play the 4 more during the year. Ford said the he saw Lyles play the 4 at the Hoop Summit and other such games and he was awful. I'd never seen Lyles play before this year, so has anyone seen Lyles at these games and can you confirm or deny Ford's claim? PG_AB/Dr. Jones?
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In 3 years, Ford's analysis will have changed completely.
Here's the whole game on youtube if anyone's interested..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgzgm1DCEaQ
^^^
Lyles starts playing well in the 3rd quarter. Skip the whole first half if you're short on time.
Lyles starts playing well in the 3rd quarter. Skip the whole first half if you're short on time.
I will just say Chads opinion doesn't concern me. Also, are you certain it was chad and not pat forde? Srs
green
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This actually isn't true. If all that changes is his draft stock, and he maxes out his next two deals, here is the math:
If he is picked #20 in 2015 and #10 in 2016 the difference is $14,777,955.530. That means he would make 15 million more going back to school.
If he is picked #20 in 2015 and #5 in 2016 the difference is $19,304,823.21.
Like I said, if he thinks he can go from a late first round pick to a top 10, or top 5 pick, the smart money is to go back to school. Literally. 15-20 million dollars by going back to school.
Basically, Poeltl is making a 15-20 million dollar bet that he can improve his stock.
If he can go from a 20 pick, where your deal is worth 6 million, to a top 5 pick, where your deal is worth 15 million, he will make almost 10 million more on his rookie deal. That is a lot of money.
Heck, a 20 pick is worth 6 million, a 10 pick is worth 10 million. 4 million is a lot of money. Worth going back to school for.
I'd rather make 4-10 million more on my first deal, then leave early and lose that money.
Is there risk? Yeah. But an extra 4-10 million is a lot of money.
zyzz
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Yeah, it was Chad. It was on David Locke's podcast with Chad Ford in part 2 17:30 in. He said when he was practicing and playing at the 4 with his peers, he looked awful and really struggled. I obviously wouldn't trust everything Ford says, but I was wondering if it was way off base or something.
In that hoop summit video he looked outmatched physically inside (didnt dominate or rebound strongly at all) but did really well driving on an angle from the perimeter and making passes.
Coach Ellis
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He has the body and raw skills to be a solid 4. I'm going to trust that Snyder and company can get the most out of him IF he works hard. It sure seems like his work ethic is excellent, so I have hope that he'll be a solid player down the road. My hope is that his unique situation at Kentucky kept teams from properly evaluating him and under Snyder's direction he develops into a guy who should have been drafted at 5. Playing behind and with Favors/Gobert should help him a lot. Hopefully he puts in the work to be great.
Seriously? David Lee is an exceptional passer. Collison is a good passer also.
Jazz4ever
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Here are some of his plays (good and bad)
4:12 offensive foul (questionable)
5:55 missed FG and missed put back (defender was Alexander)
9:15 bad pass
19:33 nice drive and dish
50:17 strong drive, gets to the line
53:20 off the dribble jumper missed (bad shot)
56:45 bad pass to Towns
1:05:55 passes up open 3 pointer
1:09:25 drive and gets to the line
1:21:34 missed fadeaway jumper
1:24:48 layup attempt blocked (not great awareness)
1:27:55 drive from top of the key and make (Favors like)
1:39:35 good rebound but lacks explosion to finish the put back
1:41:00 coast to coast drive and draws foul
1:43:00 good offensive rebound but again lacks explosion to finish over Okafor
I missed a couple of his makes, but overall not a great showing.
Mission Accomplished
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Listening to national podcast they are not high on him. They were beaming on Oubre saying that he has potential of being great. He went to P3 running four a days.
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Thanks for that.
Really nice article. Gives me some hope. I really like that he talks about lyles being a transcendent passing big man, with good handles, who can help the jazz increase the pace.
I think it all comes down to whether he can be a respectable shooter. His form is damn near perfect so I have some hope for him in that regard
According to David Locke's interview on 1280 (https://weareutahjazz.com/lockedonjazz/ ... Scotty & Hans), the Jazz were not seriously considering Devin Booker. At 12, they had zeroed in on Turner and Lyles by draft time. Indiana had come to the same conclusion reportedly. The decision at 12 was whether to take Lyles or trade the pick.
It's not clear if the Jazz would have preferred Turner had they won the coin flip.
It's not clear if the Jazz would have preferred Turner had they won the coin flip.
StuffedCrustGobert
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I think the Carlos Boozer comparisons are legitimate. His size, strength, and frame (7'4 wingspan) are a great start. When I watched him at UK, it was the little things that always stood out. Often times more than Towns and Stein. He out hustled UK's other big men, set great screens, and had elite versatility. He can knock down open 3's, pass with good court vision, pull up from mid range, and attack the basket better than most. His jump shot needs work, but his form is surprisingly smooth.
I'm a huge pessimist when it comes to the NBA Draft, and have been known around my family to hate a Jazz draft pick. Lyles is absolutely an exception. I think this is a slam dunk, and he'll be a staple with the Jazz for a long time.
I'm a huge pessimist when it comes to the NBA Draft, and have been known around my family to hate a Jazz draft pick. Lyles is absolutely an exception. I think this is a slam dunk, and he'll be a staple with the Jazz for a long time.
i just had a dejavu. Carlos boozer was the biggest nightmare ever happened to jazz. Noone wants him back, or anyone who looks like him
I'd take prime Carlos Boozer off the bench, no question. The dude could kind of ball.