Marc Stein: Jazz-Warriors discuss pre-Lottery trade (Source says trade "likely")

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Hey. Orangello is my friend .. and we have a gang, I think, so watch it.

Sounds like the whitest gang in the history of gangs

Thanks for the trade update on the trade talks. Did you get any impressions that we are getting a player from GS?

 

[Dr. Jones]

Sounds like the whitest gang in the history of gangs

Thanks for the trade update on the trade talks. Did you get any impressions that we are getting a player from GS?

No. Sounded almost like a definite no. Keep in mind that these GM's keep info very close to the vest and you never know if the info is correct or misdirection or just early negotiation - subject to change.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

No. Sounded almost like a definite no. Keep in mind that these GM's keep info very close to the vest and you never know if the info is correct or misdirection or just early negotiation - subject to change.

Thanks.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Can we give GS Raja Bell? Him being teamed with Richard Jefferson = higher draft pick for the jazz.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Can we give GS Raja Bell? Him being teamed with Richard Jefferson = higher draft pick for the jazz.

Sounds good. GSW gets their '12 pick guaranteed plus Bell. Jazz get next years pick guaranteed.

Curry is hurt, Bell plays PG, Jazz get Shabazz.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

https://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6ml4mzp

Would you do it plus they get the pick this year

Wow, that's a terrible trade. I love Curry but we can't give up Sap, Harris, and the pick for him.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Wow, that's a terrible trade. I love Curry but we can't give up Sap, Harris, and the pick for him.

I dont like that trade because Curry isn't reliable, because of his injury issues, but looking at the trade it's really just Millsap and the pick. Who cares about Harris.

 

[UGLI baby]

The rule states that you cannot sell/trade your first round pick in back to back drafts. If through selling/trading your pick you get another first rounder then that counts as your first round pick.

The pick would be coming straight from Philly to the Jazz.

 

[UGLI baby]

Wow! How'd you come up with this? I like it. Unless I'm missing something, it seems to make sense for all teams.

PHI decides it's reached its limit with only a defensive oriented team with good role players, rolls the dice that #7/8 will provide a scorer.
GS attempts to go from tanking to contending with Curry/Thompson/Iggy/Lee/Bogut lineup.
UTA figures that in this deep draft the difference in quality between #8 and #15 is not great. Decides that a high quality role player fits needs better than a 1 in 4 shot at a player who may be just slightly better.

I was reading the warriors message board on RealGM and they were talking about trading the #7 for Iggy.

It does kind of seem like a stretch for Philly to do this, but it would make a ton of sense for GS and would explain why they are desperate to have their pick guaranteed this year.

If the Jazz help facilitate a trade to get the warriors a proven vet, we need to get something more out of it than lower protection next year because if they added someone like Iggy the protection on the pick wont even matter.

 

[BluesRocker]

Word is philly would like to amnesty Brand. Not sure if they would or not. They already seem to need some help down low, with or without Brand. They seem like a good trading partner for us.

After they amnesty Brand, we trade Al to them for the 15th pick and a future first rounder.

Philly also seems like a team who is ready to win now. So they might not to want to add a rookie.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Word is philly would like to amnesty Brand. Not sure if they would or not. They already seem to need some help down low, with or without Brand. They seem like a good trading partner for us.

After they amnesty Brand, we trade Al to them for the 15th pick and a future first rounder.

Philly also seems like a team who is ready to win now. So they might not to want to add a rookie.

Word from who? Philly doesn't make crazy money as a franchise so I highly doubt they'd amnesty Brand AND take Jefferson off our hands via a trade. That's a ton of money. It wouldn't be a huge deal if someone then signed Brand to a decent little deal but his value is so low that I don't see that happening and I see Philly having to eat the far majority of his contract. I suppose it could happen though since their cap number isn't very big.

That said, the whole 'not wanting to add a rookie because we're in win now mode argument' thrown out by many including yourself is so dumb. Teams wouldn't want to add a talented, young player on a rookie contract? Really??? Philly isn't exactly loaded with talent and imo, they should covet their pick unless a very good deal is offered.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

How about this?

Jefferson and Bell to Philly for Brand and their 15th? I think this actually makes some sense, minus Jefferson's fatass in what could or should be an up-tempo system.

They get the big they need in Big Al and add a veteran presence in Bell, lol. We get a 3rd/4th big, who's expiring and who probably wouldn't have a problem or publicly bitch about coming off the bench (Brand's pretty classy), a true veteran presence, get a solid pick in a good draft, and save 320K. And I'd much rather have Brand teaching our young bigs than Jefferson.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Word from who? Philly doesn't make crazy money as a franchise so I highly doubt they'd amnesty Brand AND take Jefferson off our hands via a trade. That's a ton of money. It wouldn't be a huge deal if someone then signed Brand to a decent little deal but his value is so low that I don't see that happening and I see Philly having to eat the far majority of his contract. I suppose it could happen though since their cap number isn't very big.

That said, the whole 'not wanting to add a rookie because we're in win now mode argument' thrown out by many including yourself is so dumb. Teams wouldn't want to add a talented, young player on a rookie contract? Really??? Philly isn't exactly loaded with talent and imo, they should covet their pick unless a very good deal is offered.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/28/...ton-brand-could-be-part-of-76ers-changes.html

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYiZ7iBIrzI&feature=youtu.be&a
Locke talking about it.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/28/...ton-brand-could-be-part-of-76ers-changes.html

Nowhere there did it state that a trade with Brand was imminent. They simply mentioned that the organization would amnesty him in the right, seemingly perfect, scenario. That said, my trade proposal for him rocks and we need to pursue this.

 

[BluesRocker]

Word from who? Philly doesn't make crazy money as a franchise so I highly doubt they'd amnesty Brand AND take Jefferson off our hands via a trade. That's a ton of money. It wouldn't be a huge deal if someone then signed Brand to a decent little deal but his value is so low that I don't see that happening and I see Philly having to eat the far majority of his contract. I suppose it could happen though since their cap number isn't very big.

That said, the whole 'not wanting to add a rookie because we're in win now mode argument' thrown out by many including yourself is so dumb. Teams wouldn't want to add a talented, young player on a rookie contract? Really??? Philly isn't exactly loaded with talent and imo, they should covet their pick unless a very good deal is offered.

Well, Im not going to go PKM on you and pretend I have an inside source. I just read it from a philly writer. Thats why I added the caveat that I wasnt sure.

Ya, I like to add rookies, and so do you and others. But your guy's favorite GM (KOC), has said many times that he doesnt want to have too many young people on this team. Im not making that up. Thats why I think he doesnt want to draft more young players. So I am assuming that maybe other GM's think the same. I dont really know either way. Im just throwing stuff against the wall that I would do, that probably wont happen.

Plus philly is looking for a big and a lot of the bigs will be off the board at that point(15th pick). Thats more of a spot for us where the pg's are at.

To me philly just seems like a good trade partner for us

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Nowhere there did it state that a trade with Brand was imminent. They simply mentioned that the organization would amnesty him in the right, seemingly perfect, scenario. That said, my trade proposal for him rocks and we need to pursue this.

BR said word was Philly might amnesty Brand. You said "Word from who?".

BR made up the trade thing himself as a possible scenario.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Well, Im not going to go PKM on you and pretend I have an inside source. I just read it from a philly writer. Thats why I added the caveat that I wasnt sure.

Ya, I like to add rookies, and so do you and others. But your guy's favorite GM (KOC), has said many times that he doesnt want to have too many young people on this team. Im not making that up. Thats why I think he doesnt want to draft more young players. So I am assuming that maybe other GM's think the same. I dont really know either way. Im just throwing stuff against the wall that I would do, that probably wont happen.

Plus philly is looking for a big and a lot of the bigs will be off the board at that point(15th pick). Thats more of a spot for us where the pg's are at.

To me philly just seems like a good trade partner for us

Hence, my proposal. Jefferson and Bell for Brand. Brand would probably be okay with coming off the bench, be a great veteran presence, be a better teacher to our young bigs than Fat Al, Utah would save 320K, and we'd get the 15th pick. Philly would get the big they so covet as well as his Bird Rights.

 

[BluesRocker]

Thanks Cy

 

[My2Cents]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYiZ7iBIrzI&feature=youtu.be&a
Locke talking about it.

I didn't read through this entire thread, so maybe someone has mentioned this before, but interesting point from Locke on reducing protections. If the protections are reduced to top 3 in 2013 or 2014, or even removed altogether, GS would have less incentive to tank. Even if they are bad they might be trying to win while other teams are tanking. This could result in pushing the pick back a few more spots.