Marijuana: Facts, Myths, and plain old Stupidity.
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SaltyDawg
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According to the study, it is (or should be) okay. Police and driving instructors could not detect any impairment and the study says it was similar to someone with a BAC of 0.05%. If you think that means people are stupid for thinking driving after marijuana is not a big deal, then you better look in the mirror when you call people "morons."
Incredible that you can come in here with no experience whatsoever with smoking weed, no scientific evidence whatsoever, a bunch of scientific evidence posted that contradicts your claims, and yet still call everyone a moron who doesn't agree with your opinion.
CONAN
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You two hypocrites deserve each other. Look, I understand that for whatever reason you couldn't and/or can't handle life and so turn to altering your brain so reality works a little better. Fine, we all got our crutches I suppose. But don't come in here spewing a bunch of BS and expect the sane world to just buy it so you can sleep a little better at night.
Driving while high is more dangerous than driving sober. That's a fact and none of your spinning can change it. So deal with it or go to that other reality you visit and maybe there it's ok.
Driving while high is more dangerous than driving sober. That's a fact and none of your spinning can change it. So deal with it or go to that other reality you visit and maybe there it's ok.
SaltyDawg
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Well in this real world, the scientific data compiled on this subject disagrees with you. So does my personal experience.
The only place you are proven correct is in your own mind. I guess that pretty much confirms which of us is actually in the "sane world" and which is in some "other reality."
CONAN
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Salty likes to alter his reality? What a surprise.
SaltyDawg
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Yes, I used to smoke weed back in the day. I don't anymore. The funny thing is, weed smokers know they are getting high and they know when they aren't high anymore.
You, apparently, live in an alternate reality at all times, without ever being aware of it.
Not too difficult to see which is more "insane."
GVC
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1. So is it ok for me to try to enjoy my life or not? Do you only do those things that are pertinent, or do you try to enjoy yourself from time to time? I'm a little confused, since while you're on this website, watching TV, eating out (I've seen your fat ***), etc., it's clear you're not "handling" your life the way the authority you've submitted to has recommended.
2. What BS? I agree that getting high and driving isn't a good idea, but I'm guessing you're not driving with perfect focus, at or below the speed limit, with hands at ten and two at all times. I wonder, do you always use your blinker? Have you ever talked on your phone while driving? Eaten while driving? All these activities will negatively affect your ability to drive. Should you face criminal prosecution if you're guilty of those behaviors? This discussion moved way beyond what you're getting your panties in a bunch about a long time ago.
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SaltyDawg
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What about if trained experts like police officers and driving instructors could not detect any impairment in their driving, even when using equipment designed to help detect such impairment (like simulators that record every action)?
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Swerving. Erratic driving. Driving slower or faster than traffic to the point of disrupting the flow of traffic. I think when someone on their phone misses a curve because they are not paying attention so they barrel into the next lane and nearly run someone off the road, that is evidence enough and should be grounds for ticket and/or arrest. If they cause an accident and it is found that they were using their cell phone while doing so then they should face a stiffer penalty. Same applies to anything that could impair the ability to drive safely.
CONAN
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CONAN
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Ya, we get it. Potheads know exactly what they're doing especially when they are high. There is a manual everyone gets when they first get high and it tells you exactly how to act and what to do and all potheads follow those standards to a T. And this is why non-users can never talk about weed in any way cuz they don't have the manual. For example, when they are too high to drive they never will cuz they will just crash on the couch instead. This is a rule. Also, if you break that rule no sweat because there are driving techniques in the manual to counteract your messed up brain. Science be damned they totally work, Dude.
GVC has been quite consistent that marijuana impairs driving, and that people shouldn't drive while high.
I may have misread him, but SaltyDawg seems to think the impairment is not relevant because the behaviors of the high person will counterbalance the impariment. I don't have personal experience with this, but others who do seem to disagree.
Don't confuse the two positions; this is a relevfant difference, and distinct from the question of a legal limit used to model intoxication.
SaltyDawg
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You're pretty close on my position, but that isn't exactly it. I think marijuana's effect on driving is so minimal it doesn't require a law to prevent it. I do believe that way too much marijuana, like everything else in the world, will have a negative impact on driving. But I don't think pot smokers hit that level regularly enough to worry about it. Conan has tried to make fun of this position, but having never smoked pot before he has no idea what he is talking about. He seems to think it's funny when I say someone who smokes way too much pot won't want to get up off the couch. This isn't a manual or a rule, it's just a fact about what smoking too much pot does to people. If he had ever smoked pot, he would know this.
Also, there are some studies that support my position that driving after marijuana is not a big deal. I posted a couple of links, not sure if you have seen them or not. One of them specifically said that police officers and driving instructors were not able to detect any impairment in the driving of people who had taken a moderate to high dose of marijuana. The study then suggested that a person with between 7 and 10 ng/ml of THC in their blood (which is double what conan is suggesting impairs your driving) drives with the same increased risk as a person who has been drinking but is still well under the legal alcohol limit (0.05%, which is roughly halfway to the legal limit).
So you were pretty close to my position, but not quite there. And conan is just out in left field on his. He hasn't posted one single piece of scientific data that even hints he might be correct. He's just repeating his opinion over and over and calling everyone a moron who disagrees with it.
If you have never smoked marijuana, and have no scientific data on the subject, you aren't qualified to call anyone a moron for disagreeing with you on the subject. I honestly think conan has no idea what being "high" actually is. I'm sure he's read about it, and I'm sure everyone has told him it was bad his whole life, but he has no idea what it is. He probably thinks it is a way bigger deal than it really is. He has made statements like "impaired is impaired" saying high from weed is just as bad as being drunk. Well anyone who has ever got drunk and smoked weed will tell you they are totally different "highs." One of them obviously impairs driving a lot more than the other.
It may not be a good idea to try to drive after marijuana, but I don't think it requires a law because it is not really putting the public in danger. Much like listening to loud music probably isn't a good idea, but shouldn't require a law.
CONAN
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Love the anectdotal evidence. Good stuff. I have friends who said they drove high when they shouldn't have. I believe people in this thread have said the same. So clearly people are driving high when they shouldn't be by their own accounts.
But the manual says when you are too high to drive you won't cuz you'll just love your couch. So some contradictions there. Hmmmm. But the manual also says there are secret ninja driving techniques that mitigate your highness. But if you don't drive when you shouldn't cuz you love the couch, why would you need these techniques?
But the manual says when you are too high to drive you won't cuz you'll just love your couch. So some contradictions there. Hmmmm. But the manual also says there are secret ninja driving techniques that mitigate your highness. But if you don't drive when you shouldn't cuz you love the couch, why would you need these techniques?
SaltyDawg
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Do you have friends that have got in a wreck or hurt anyone from driving while high? Nobody in this thread has ever had or seen that happen.
Don't tell me about a fictional manual that I am using. The only one here even close to using a "manual" is you. I'm using real world experience and scientific data to come to my conclusions. What are you using to come to yours?
I smoked like a chimney for almost five solid years. I agree 100% with Conan. To argue otherwise is foolish beyond measure. Conan is trolling you guys like it's his job -- and you're doing a wonderful job of playing along, mind you -- but in the end, strip off all of the trollishness, he's spot on.
Also, not that it has any relevance on the issue, but I was in the car when my buddy crashed. We were all blazed out of our minds in the Molca Salsa drive thru when he just put his head back and started rambling about politics. His foot slid off the brake and we rolled into the side of the building. Not one of the three of us in the car noticed it was happening until it went 'boom'.
Also, not that it has any relevance on the issue, but I was in the car when my buddy crashed. We were all blazed out of our minds in the Molca Salsa drive thru when he just put his head back and started rambling about politics. His foot slid off the brake and we rolled into the side of the building. Not one of the three of us in the car noticed it was happening until it went 'boom'.