Marijuana: Facts, Myths, and plain old Stupidity.

[SaltyDawg]

Salty, you do realize that you're... nevermind, of course you don't.

Let's put it this way:

I say that for the most part, pot didn't make me tired. You say that I am lying, and "When the facts are on my side, you are fighting a losing battle. Weed absolutely does make you (and anyone else) tired if you smoke enough if it. This is not debatable, it's a scientific fact." "I agree that taking a few hits of some strains will not make you tired. Try to smoke a few pounds of that strain and you will probably be passed out long before you get done.", which contradict each other. So, which is it? Does pot make you tired or not? Keep in mind that realistically, nobody is going to sit and smoke a pound of pot. (I know reality isn't your strong point, but just play along please.)

As far as calling me a jackass, I'm sorry but I'm not the one in here calling people liars and telling them how wrong they are because they don't have the same beliefs as me. (which is only partly true, because I'm telling you that you're wrong, but not because of my beliefs, but because of actual REAL facts.)

I am not contradicting myself at all. I know that nobody is going to sit down and smoke a pound of pot. I have been saying that from the get go. I have said, pretty consistently, I don't think weed makes driving dangerous enough that it requires a law. Yes, you can smoke enough weed that at some point it becomes dangerous (because if you can smoke enough to pass out then you can smoke enough where you can't drive). But I don't think people hit that limit often enough where we need to make a law restricting it.

I didn't call you a jackass. I simply pointed out that just because you make fun of me as a person or poster or whatever, it doesn't mean your argument is automatically better than mine. THC does make you tired, it's a scientific fact. Even if you never felt tired, it doesn't mean smoking twice as much wouldn't have put you to sleep.

 

[TroutBum]

So does alcohol.

It's interesting to note:

Oxygen in high doses will kill you.
Caffeine in high doses will kill you.
Water in high doses will kill you.

The list goes on and on, yet there is nobody here barking that THOSE THINGS KILL PEOPLE, IT'S A SCIENTIFIC FACT! But seriously, telling us all to go smoke a pound of weed and see how tired we get is not intellectually honest and just plain stupid. (as the title of this thread suggests)

 

[GVC]

and because this thread is missing pictures of the lovely ladies:

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

https://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1J7RYU/www.leafly.com/explore

This is fun and informative.

 

[SaltyDawg]

It's interesting to note:

Oxygen in high doses will kill you.
Caffeine in high doses will kill you.
Water in high doses will kill you.

The list goes on and on, yet there is nobody here barking that THOSE THINGS KILL PEOPLE, IT'S A SCIENTIFIC FACT! But seriously, telling us all to go smoke a pound of weed and see how tired we get is not intellectually honest and just plain stupid. (as the title of this thread suggests)

Actually, I noted that way too much of EVERYTHING will make driving dangerous at some point, and we don't need laws to restrict it. I even gave examples of too much pizza and pants that are too tight.

So not sure how you are proving me wrong there, I actually agree with you.

I am not telling anyone to smoke that much pot. On the contrary, I am saying people DON'T usually smoke that much pot.

 

[GVC]

https://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1J7RYU/www.leafly.com/explore

This is fun and informative.

Nice. Also:
https://weedgrower.com/marijuana-strains/afghanica.html

 

[squareinthecircle]

Not talking about a strain here, talking about THC. Smoke enough of that strain and you will absolutely get tired. I agree that taking a few hits of some strains will not make you tired. Try to smoke a few pounds of that strain and you will probably be passed out long before you get done.

OK then I will just outright disagree with you then. I have taken THC capsules and they do not make me tired.

 

[TroutBum]

I am not contradicting myself at all.

Actually, you did contradict yourself, but this is like trying to argue that the Earth revolves around the Sun. Either you believe it or you don't, nothing I say will change your mind.

I know that nobody is going to sit down and smoke a pound of pot.

If you "know" that, why do you keep using it as a crutch for your argument?

I have been saying that from the get go. I have said, pretty consistently, I don't think weed makes driving dangerous enough that it requires a law. Yes, you can smoke enough weed that at some point it becomes dangerous (because if you can smoke enough to pass out then you can smoke enough where you can't drive). But I don't think people hit that limit often enough where we need to make a law restricting it.

I'm not sure why you bothered responding with this, as I dropped this section of the argument pages and pages ago. Again, Earth - Sun - Revolution... You get the idea. Not relevant to this part of the argument.

I didn't call you a jackass. I simply pointed out that just because you make fun of me as a person or poster or whatever, it doesn't mean your argument is automatically better than mine. THC does make you tired, it's a scientific fact. Even if you never felt tired, it doesn't mean smoking twice as much wouldn't have put you to sleep.

You're right, you didn't call me a jackass. Apologies for the inference. FWIW, I respect the Hell out of you as a person, as you and I have had quite a few interactions over the years; but this doesn't disqualify you from being retarded online, which is the case here. (and with any topic that has Utah Utes in it) As has been pointed out by several people in this thread, THC does NOT always make you tired, nor is it a scientific fact. To say that, "Even if you never felt tired, it doesn't mean smoking twice as much wouldn't have put you to sleep." is ridiculous.

So, here we are again.

 

[squareinthecircle]

The earlier you harvest also tends to make them less sleep-inducing. An early-harvested pure sativa's going to affect you a lot differently than a late-harvested pure indica. Also, as trout has pointed out, different people react differently to THC. People should keep in mind that Delta9-THC is only one of 66 cannabinoids found in marijuana, and thus different combinations of these compounds will create a different effect.

Yes I am aware of that I grow medical marijuana and have for a long time.

 

[SaltyDawg]

OK then I will just outright disagree with you then. I have taken THC capsules and they do not make me tired.

Trust me, you take enough THC into your body, you will pass out. You may very well have taken THC capsules and not passed out. That doesn't mean taking 1000 more all at once won't put you down. Everyone has a limit, and there is no exception to this rule.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I feel like this thread has gone one for 20 pages longer than it should have.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I feel like this thread has gone one for 20 pages longer than it should have.

Pretty much, but it's the lockout. What else are we going to talk about?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Nice. Also:
https://weedgrower.com/marijuana-strains/afghanica.html

God, makes me jealous I don't live on the West Coast were this kind of quality is readily available.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Actually, you did contradict yourself, but this is like trying to argue that the Earth revolves around the Sun. Either you believe it or you don't, nothing I say will change your mind.


If you "know" that, why do you keep using it as a crutch for your argument?


I'm not sure why you bothered responding with this, as I dropped this section of the argument pages and pages ago. Again, Earth - Sun - Revolution... You get the idea. Not relevant to this part of the argument.


You're right, you didn't call me a jackass. Apologies for the inference. FWIW, I respect the Hell out of you as a person, as you and I have had quite a few interactions over the years; but this doesn't disqualify you from being retarded online, which is the case here. (and with any topic that has Utah Utes in it) As has been pointed out by several people in this thread, THC does NOT always make you tired, nor is it a scientific fact. To say that, "Even if you never felt tired, it doesn't mean smoking twice as much wouldn't have put you to sleep." is ridiculous.

So, here we are again.

Are you being serious here or just trolling because you don't have anything of value to add?

In case you're being serious, let me clear this up for you.

My position is that marijuana doesn't make driving dangerous enough to warrant making it illegal. I believe that marijuana has a point where it can actually make you pass out, so there is obviously a point where driving would be extremely dangerous (or not even possible). But I believe that this point is not usually reached by pot smokers. In fact, it is so rarely reached that we don't need to bother making laws to restrict it.

It is not debatable if enough THC in your system can put you down. Yes, it is debatable if taking a few tokes off a pipe will make you tired or not. It is not debatable though, that the THC in the weed will make you tired if you take enough into your body. I realize that everyone reacts to drugs differently to a point. However, those minor variances in the reactions between people all have their limits. For example- you don't go to the hospital for surgery and get "wired" from the drug they are using to put you to sleep. Maybe it's possible if you had an extremely low dose, but if they give you enough you will absolutely get put to sleep (or unconscious, whatever you want to call it).

And, again, I know most people don't take enough THC in to reach this level- that is the whole point I am trying to make here. There is no need to make a law restricting something that nobody ever does anyway.

I posted a couple of links that show moderate to high marijuana doses don't make driving anymore dangerous than someone who is still well under the legal alcohol limit to drive. So there is more than just my opinion here. My point is that normal marijuana usage is probably fine. The point where it gets dangerous is beyond the point where you won't want to get up off the couch- beyond what most pot smokers would consider normal.

 

[CONAN]

Not in a fictional manual, just a reality in this thread.

I think that's the reality of your life, Dude.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I think that's the reality of your life, Dude.

Not the reality of my life at all. Most people I know wouldn't call everyone a moron for disagreeing with them on a subject they know nothing about. And everyone I know is aware that too much THC will put you to sleep. This thread is not indicative of the real world at all.

You live in a bubble. I don't share that bubble with you. Just because you found a couple people on this board who share your bubble doesn't mean it's my reality.

 

[CONAN]

I'm still waiting for a response to my question about smoking weed v. eating cheeseburgers.

If you smoke weed you'll eat cheeseburgers?

Seriously, you want to know the difference between eating a cheeseburger and smoking weed? For me, I'd say the big one is that one seriously alters your brain and the other does not. Certainly eating cheeseburgers can become sad in and of itself if abused. But I consider it more sad that someone has to alter their brain to be happy. Comon that's pretty pathetic. Is life so bad you have to change the way your brain views it? And I don't see why you're all up in arms over it. It's not that far-fetched a position and probably one held by the majority of non-druggies and druggies.

 

[CONAN]

OK then I will just outright disagree with you then. I have taken THC capsules and they do not make me tired.

You obviously are lying.

 

[CONAN]

Not the reality of my life at all. Most people I know wouldn't call everyone a moron for disagreeing with them on a subject they know nothing about. And everyone I know is aware that too much THC will put you to sleep. This thread is not indicative of the real world at all.

You live in a bubble. I don't share that bubble with you. Just because you found a couple people on this board who share your bubble doesn't mean it's my reality.

Most people I know don't live in their own little world. I definitely teach a few like that and the similarities between you and them are interesting.

It's a free country so you're welcome to your own personal truths but it shouldn't surprise you that no one is buying most of the stuff you try to sell as universal truths. It's obvious you have an issue squaring with that and that's sad but I do enjoy the entertainment. So never stop being you please.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Most people I know don't live in their own little world. I definitely teach a few like that and the similarities between you and them are interesting.

It's a free country so you're welcome to your own personal truths but it shouldn't surprise you that no one is buying most of the stuff you try to sell as universal truths. It's obvious you have an issue squaring with that and that's sad but I do enjoy the entertainment. So never stop being you please.

Nobody is buying it??? lol, again, you're in your own world man.

See the 2 links I posted. Plenty of people are buying it. Maybe the people you talk to on a daily basis aren't, but like I said, you live in a bubble.