CONAN
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Nope. Majority of people in this thread (potheads, too) agree that driving while high is a bad idea. Sorry, Bubbletroll.
Marijuana: Facts, Myths, and plain old Stupidity.
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SaltyDawg
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No, majority of people in this thread who have ever smoked the stuff do not agree that driving after smoking small amounts should be illegal. And this thread is not the same as a majority of experts anyway.
Like I told you troll, you live in a bubble.
GVC
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I don't have to smoke weed to be happy, but I enjoy smoking weed. Why is that sad? Just because I enjoy something doesn't mean I abuse it. You no doubt enjoy some foods more than others, and I'd guess that some of those foods aren't the healthiest foods you could be eating. Is it pathetic to indulge yourself once in a while? Is it wrong to enjoy life?
And, I think the "mind altering" argument is a false distinction. If you do anything you enjoy, that thing is altering your mood/emotion and thus your mind. Again, what is so bad about smoking weed? Why are people who smoke weed for recreation pathetic? That a bunch of idiots think it's bad (mostly because they've been told it's bad) is not a very persuasive argument.
And I'm not bent out of shape, I just don't understand why you label me as brain dead, pathetic, etc. for a relatively safe and healthy recreational choice I make.
CONAN
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That's not what I said and as usual you are spinning. I said the majority of of the people in this thread have said you shouldn't drive high. And of course you jump right discrediting them because they disagree with you. Hey, they are potheads too speaking to being high. Thought that meant they could speak to the subject? You're a flip-flopping troll.
SaltyDawg
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No troll, I am not spinning or flip flopping. My argument was never that people should or shouldn't drive high. My argument is and has been that we don't need a law to make it illegal- especially at the amounts you were claiming.
CONAN
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No question there is some stuff I do that you would find sad I'm sure. And I'm ok with you finding that sad and probably I'd agree on a lot of stuff. But for me, and I think a lot of people, I find it sad that someone enjoys altering their natrual state of mind of their own free will. To me it smacks of escape.
I think that's a pretty weak argument and more than likely a copout. With your example, I'd say yes you are altering your mind but that is natural. Doing drugs is not natural.
A better way to put that would be to say what you do is pathetic. So sorry you are probably not a pathetic person as a whole. But on a sidenote that's a pretty big issue and I'd have a hard time looking past it even if you cured cancer. But no way you can sell me on it being relatively safe. Not buying that on several levels (chemically, criminally, morally, etc.).
CONAN
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From the start you've claimed smoking weed doesn't impair your driving. Flipflopping trollbody on the loose again.
SaltyDawg
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No, trollnan, I don't think normal amounts make driving dangerous enough to be illegal. And the studies I posted agree with me. Sorry that doesn't jive with what you've heard in the bubble you live in.
It's not flip flopping.
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Really, a plant the grows in the ground isn't natural? I think that is far more natural the MANY foods we eat. Especially here in the USA.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html
GVC
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I disagree, but even if I didn't, so what? What's so wrong with escape? Cannabis doesn't change who you are or change the reality you exist in, it only changes your perception of that reality. To me that's not only not bad, it's good. Getting a fresh perspective on things enhances life.
What's so unnatural about cannabis?
Beyond it being criminal, I'm curious why you think cannabis use is "chemically" (?) or morally unsafe? What the hell is immoral about smoking weed and watching movies/playing board games/playing music/going on a hike with friends?
So if someone smokes weed once in a while and cures one of your family member's life threatening illness, you'd consider that person pathetic? I think that says a hell of a lot about how morally bankrupt you are.
CONAN
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Again, didn't say illegal. I said smoking weed impairs your driving. Not only do you flip flop, you deflect.
I need to clarify that I agree with Conan about driving while high, etc. but certainly not about marijuana as a whole, or the people who use it. I've met GVC several times and I'd be hard-pressed to find a more intelligent human being. I got no beef with potheads. Only with potheads who drive while stoned.
CONAN
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Lack of accountability.
So we agree it is criminally irresponsible. I don't think that should be glossed over as it has moral implications as well as legal. But fine.
As far as chemically, the main concern here is pre-25. No potheads started smoking in their 30s. I'm sure the odd exception exists but most did it pre-25 and that is seriously altering your brain development. Not to mention the other effects I've listed here before. I can re-list I suppose.
I think you're getting pretty defensive here. I don't give out free passes because someone does something great. Wrong is wrong. Like I said, I'd consider the behavior pathetic but not the person. You seem focused on that. Whatever.
Another analogy would be if a babysitter had great references and credentials but smoked weed twice a month on their own in their room. No way do I put that person in charge of my kids. Not a chance and any parent who does should be shanked. If that's you than yes, you should be shanked.
CONAN
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GVC's intelligence isn't at issue here. Trout, are you telling me you'd be ok with someone who smokes at least once a week watching your kids for a weekend while you and the wife went out of town?
SaltyDawg
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Smoking weed doesn't impair your driving enough to warrant making it illegal, unless you smoke way more than most pot smokers usually smoke.
That is and has been my argument from the start. Whether someone considers it a bad idea or not is irrelevant to my argument.
No flip flopping, and no deflection. This is the same argument I have been making all along.
GVC
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Conan, I'm guessing the only people you actually know who smoke pot are high school students who, as a whole, are extremely unaccountable and irresponsible.
An occasional escape (and, again, I don't think smoking weed is necessarily escapism at all...in fact, I think it often makes people more engaged with the world around them) is not cause for concern. Watching television occasionally is escape behavior, but as long as it isn't overly consuming, it probably doesn't mean the person's a total write-off (or maybe it does...although we're all ****ed if that's the case). Seeing that you're somewhat active on this message board, it's clear you're no stranger to escape behavior, but I'm not willing to say you lack accountability based on that alone.
And no, I don't agree that's it's criminally "irresponsible", only criminal, and thus has potential criminal consequences.
And, again, what is the standard for something being wrong? Wrong is wrong by what standard? Stating something doesn't make it so; I expect some reasoning here, although I doubt I'll get any. If I occasionally smoke a little weed in the privacy of my own home, who am I hurting? How does that show that I'm irresponsible? Why does that make me pathetic?
The truth is, unfortunately, you've been brought up to believe "drugs are bad", and you aren't one to challenge conventional "wisdom".
And you can go ahead and ask anyone who's seen me interact with children about whether they'd let me babysit (none of them are weed smokers). I think they'll all agree that I'm responsible, respectful and attentive enough to watch kids, and gladly leave theirs with me.
An occasional escape (and, again, I don't think smoking weed is necessarily escapism at all...in fact, I think it often makes people more engaged with the world around them) is not cause for concern. Watching television occasionally is escape behavior, but as long as it isn't overly consuming, it probably doesn't mean the person's a total write-off (or maybe it does...although we're all ****ed if that's the case). Seeing that you're somewhat active on this message board, it's clear you're no stranger to escape behavior, but I'm not willing to say you lack accountability based on that alone.
And no, I don't agree that's it's criminally "irresponsible", only criminal, and thus has potential criminal consequences.
And, again, what is the standard for something being wrong? Wrong is wrong by what standard? Stating something doesn't make it so; I expect some reasoning here, although I doubt I'll get any. If I occasionally smoke a little weed in the privacy of my own home, who am I hurting? How does that show that I'm irresponsible? Why does that make me pathetic?
The truth is, unfortunately, you've been brought up to believe "drugs are bad", and you aren't one to challenge conventional "wisdom".
And you can go ahead and ask anyone who's seen me interact with children about whether they'd let me babysit (none of them are weed smokers). I think they'll all agree that I'm responsible, respectful and attentive enough to watch kids, and gladly leave theirs with me.
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GVC
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You've defined natural very narrowly here. Consuming weed is a lot more natural than eating processed foods, I'd say (I'm guilty of both), and the latter puts you at a much higher risk of life shortening/altering/ending illnesses/conditions than the former.
GVC
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Duh.
Can we stop talking about if getting high and driving is dangerous and start talking about how fun/relaxing it is to drive high?