Marijuana: Facts, Myths, and plain old Stupidity.

[squareinthecircle]

You obviously are lying.

Whatever. They even give me Marinol while I'm in the ER. No baseless claims of lying can change that fact.


Sheesh you guys really like to argue/debate here. I used to be more game for this sort of thing before the narcotics. I'm about to head upstairs and hit up some GDP mixed with some AK47. I'll tell you this: nothing works on my RA quite like vaporizing Honey Oil on the Ti pad. It's more difficult to keep around because it takes a lot of marijuana to make it but while smoking heavy Indicas treat pain and swelling, the oil seems to make the disease go into remission. I've been thinking about trying to make it Rick Simpson style with larger amounts, then ingest the oil. We'll see.

 

[squareinthecircle]

Trust me, you take enough THC into your body, you will pass out. You may very well have taken THC capsules and not passed out. That doesn't mean taking 1000 more all at once won't put you down. Everyone has a limit, and there is no exception to this rule.

Well I've never taken that much admittedly but since you obviously have I'll defer to your experience.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Does AK-47 weed cost a lot of money and let you down in the end?

 

[LogGrad98]

Does AK-47 weed cost a lot of money and let you down in the end?

It is also hit and miss. Sometimes it is the most potent **** around, other times it will just have you sitting there bawling like a baby. It also tends to produce very erratic highs along with copious amounts of aggravation.

 

[Gameface]

And gets stupid-big fantasy tattoos on it's back.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Also has the opposite effect of munchies. You just get really skinny and injury prone.

 

[CONAN]

Smoking weed doesn't impair your driving enough to warrant making it illegal, unless you smoke way more than most pot smokers usually smoke.

That is and has been my argument from the start. Whether someone considers it a bad idea or not is irrelevant to my argument.

No flip flopping, and no deflection. This is the same argument I have been making all along.

Whatever, Flip Floppy.

 

[GVC]

I just find the axiom "drugs are bad" to be more or less indefensible.

I think we can all agree that some drugs (no matter how you define the word "drug") are beneficial.

If instead the assertion is "illegal drugs are bad", you leave yourself open to some pretty glaring contradictions, as most illegal drugs also have medicinal properties and are widely used as medicines (opiates being a perfect example).

That really only leaves you with "abuse of drugs is bad", which I (and I assume just about everyone else) have no problem with.

Abuse of cannabis is bad (yes, a tautological statement). Its psychotropic properties, long-term and short-term side effects, and medicinal properties should be considered carefully when making decisions about use (just as with all drugs...and, well, anything you consume/do). With that said, many people receive benefit from its use, and unless the damage it causes to the individual or his community/society is greater than the benefit, I see no reason why it should be prohibited entirely.

Not all people who smoke weed are stupid stoners.

On a personal note, I could probably get a prescription for cannabis for an assortment of ailments, but choose not to. I regulate my use of cannabis (I haven't smoked since last Wednesday), inform myself about the negative consequences of use, and try to consume it safely (that is, I don't smoke and drive, or pursue other potentially harmful activities while I'm high). I see no reason why I should feel ashamed of this behavior, or otherwise feel compelled to discontinue use.

 

[CONAN]

Conan, I'm guessing the only people you actually know who smoke pot are high school students who, as a whole, are extremely unaccountable and irresponsible.

Untrue.

Seeing that you're somewhat active on this message board, it's clear you're no stranger to escape behavior,

I come here to pass time while waiting on other operations.

And no, I don't agree that's it's criminally "irresponsible", only criminal, and thus has potential criminal consequences.

Semantics here. Maybe you just don't like being tied to the word "irresponsible".

And, again, what is the standard for something being wrong? Wrong is wrong by what standard? Stating something doesn't make it so; I expect some reasoning here, although I doubt I'll get any.

Not sure what you're asking here. Are we talking about my standards or societies or something else I'm missing? I assumed it was my opinion you were concerned with.

The truth is, unfortunately, you've been brought up to believe "drugs are bad", and you aren't one to challenge conventional "wisdom".

You are certainly welcome to your opinion. I have been speaking from the standpoint of criminal behavior, chemical issues, and social issues. I haven't even touched on my personal beliefs but that's where you want to go? Interesting but not surprising.

And you can go ahead and ask anyone who's seen me interact with children about whether they'd let me babysit (none of them are weed smokers). I think they'll all agree that I'm responsible, respectful and attentive enough to watch kids, and gladly leave theirs with me.

So they know the details of your habit and they've let you watch their kids?

 

[CONAN]

You've defined natural very narrowly here. Consuming weed is a lot more natural than eating processed foods, I'd say (I'm guilty of both), and the latter puts you at a much higher risk of life shortening/altering/ending illnesses/conditions than the former.

You're welcome to your opinion on my definition. I like it. You keep wanting to compare foods to weed. I'm talking about taking in something to purposely alter your mind. You guys want to talk about nature. Dandelions are natural but is it smart to roll them up and smoke them? Rocks? Just because something occurs naturally doesn't mean it's necessarily good for you.

 

[CONAN]

Altering ones perception has been practiced for a long, long time. It's considered to be a natural part of the human condition.

Depends on how you do it.

 

[CONAN]

It would depend on the person, and that's the truth. Smoking pot doesn't inherently make you a bad person. I don't agree with it anymore and feel much the same you do, but I can't judge someone because they choose to.

That wasn't the question. I didn't say smoking pot makes you a bad person.

 

[CONAN]

Would you let someone who drinks alcohol once a week babysit your kids?

Nope.

 

[GVC]

I'm talking about taking in something to purposely alter your mind.

And again, why is that wrong? You've continually avoided that question. I want an actual reason. What is so wrong about altering your mind from time to time?

Just because you consume a mind altering drug from time to time doesn't mean you don't function normally (responsibly) the rest of the time.

And, no, there is a pretty clear distinction between something being criminal and irresponsible. I don't consider it my responsibility to uphold unjust laws. Period.

I have in fact watched kids of people who don't smoke weed (who also knew I smoke weed from time to time). Because they don't smoke weed, I don't smoke weed around them, and I certainly wouldn't smoke weed around children. That would be irresponsible.

And you don't have to smoke weed to receive its effects. The benefit of smoking it over eating it is that its much easier to regulate dosage/effect through smoking than it is through eating (and the onset of the effects are immediate, rather than an hour later).

 

[CONAN]

but all I see from him is "Living the sober life I am like so morally and spiritually superior to you empty souled losers who need a drug to carry on with your pitiful lives."

That's not what is meant. And if I posted that than sorry. I don't think I did and I think some of you guys are being uber-defensive but if I said that in a post or even intimated it that wasn't my intention.

Let's get this out of the way or it's just gonna get messy in here: I'm not perfect. Far from it. I'm sure on another subject you guys could murder me on it. I got no doubts. But what we're talking about here involves you guys (potheads). And saying something is wrong doesn't mean I think I'm superior to or spiritually better (don't know how religion got brought in). It just means I think it's wrong. Get over it. I got family that do drugs. That doesn't mean I think I'm better than them. I disagree with what they do and have serious issues with it but that doesn't mean I'm better. I'm sure there are things they do better than me. Just like there are things you guys probably do better than me.

I disagree with fellow teachers and coaches all the time and we all have to deal with it. But there is repoire(sp?) there. There is none here.

If I can't post without you guys going postal about perceived slights (whether by your fault or mine) then there's really no point in continuing.

 

[CONAN]

Whatever. They even give me Marinol while I'm in the ER. No baseless claims of lying can change that fact.


Sheesh you guys really like to argue/debate here. I used to be more game for this sort of thing before the narcotics. I'm about to head upstairs and hit up some GDP mixed with some AK47. I'll tell you this: nothing works on my RA quite like vaporizing Honey Oil on the Ti pad. It's more difficult to keep around because it takes a lot of marijuana to make it but while smoking heavy Indicas treat pain and swelling, the oil seems to make the disease go into remission. I've been thinking about trying to make it Rick Simpson style with larger amounts, then ingest the oil. We'll see.

It was a joke. I was making fun of Salty who throws the liar lable out when someone disagrees with him.

 

[CONAN]

If instead the assertion is "illegal drugs are bad", you leave yourself open to some pretty glaring contradictions, as most illegal drugs also have medicinal properties and are widely used as medicines (opiates being a perfect example).

No question. For example, I disagree with alcohol use but it is legal. I think legality is just a small piece of the pie. If it's all a position is based on that could be dicey.

I see no reason why I should feel ashamed of this behavior, or otherwise feel compelled to discontinue use.

You don't have to feel ashamed. It's a free country.

 

[GVC]

So you meant no offense saying anyone who smokes weed is an irresponsible sad case who has mush for brains. Got it.

 

[CONAN]

And again, why is that wrong? You've continually avoided that question. I want an actual reason. What is so wrong about altering your mind from time to time?

I haven't avoided that question. Initially the defense I've read in posts has been about weed being natural. So I have been addressing that assertion by saying purposely altering your mind when you don't need to is unnatural.

I've mentioned criminal wrongness but you blow that off.

I and you have mentioned negative consequences.

What more are you looking for? I can certainly get religious here but don't see the point. Yet I think that's right where you want to go.

Just because you consume a mind altering drug from time to time doesn't mean you don't function normally (responsibly) the rest of the time.

I never said otherwise.

And, no, there is a pretty clear distinction between something being criminal and irresponsible. I don't consider it my responsibility to uphold unjust laws. Period.

You and I have a different take on citizenship then. Plenty of laws I think are bogus but I roll with them or if I break them I do so completely ready to take on the consequences.

 

[CONAN]

So you meant no offense saying anyone who smokes weed is an irresponsible sad case who has mush for brains. Got it.

No, I'm still rolling with that generally speaking.