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Marijuana: Facts, Myths, and plain old Stupidity.

One Brow said:
Actually, the law still applies to people who choose to break it, and GVC has been clear he agrees with that sentiment.
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No he hasn't. He said the law doesn't apply to him because he doesn't believe it's a just law so he doesn't have to follow it and feels no responsibility for consequences of breaking it.
 
One Brow said:
I agree it is a strange argument to make, and I agree that it will get figured out (although that will possibly require decriminalization). Thank you for the conversation.
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Yeah of course. I just misunderstood. I think currently the test isn't accurate enough to make a law against driving under the influence, but that doesn't mean that I don't think that one is possible. If there were a test even as reliable as BAC i'd be down for a DUI for marijuana.
 
Agoxlea said:
Yeah of course. I just misunderstood. I think currently the test isn't accurate enough to make a law against driving under the influence, but that doesn't mean that I don't think that one is possible. If there were a test even as reliable as BAC i'd be down for a DUI for marijuana.
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It's not that they can't test. It's just not cost-effective. A cop giving a blood test mulitiple times a night? Yikes.
 
CONAN said:
It's not that they can't test. It's just not cost-effective. A cop giving a blood test mulitiple times a night? Yikes.
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They can do a blood test, but a blood test isn't currently able to detect current impairment. So yes they can test but it isn't useful. A blood test is a voluntary alternative to a breathalyzer for alcohol. Refer to the NHTSA.

Interpretation of Blood Concentrations:
It is difficult to establish a relationship between a person's THC blood or plasma concentration and performance impairing effects. Concentrations of parent drug and metabolite are very dependent on pattern of use as well as dose. THC concentrations typically peak during the act of smoking, while peak 11-OH THC concentrations occur approximately 9-23 minutes after the start of smoking. Concentrations of both analytes decline rapidly and are often < 5 ng/mL at 3 hours. Significant THC concentrations (7 to 18 ng/mL) are noted following even a single puff or hit of a marijuana cigarette. Peak plasma THC concentrations ranged from 46-188 ng/mL in 6 subjects after they smoked 8.8 mg THC over 10 minutes. Chronic users can have mean plasma levels of THC-COOH of 45 ng/mL, 12 hours after use; corresponding THC levels are, however, less than 1 ng/mL. Following oral administration, THC concentrations peak at 1-3 hours and are lower than after smoking. Dronabinol and THC-COOH are present in equal concentrations in plasma and concentrations peak at approximately 2-4 hours after dosing.

It is inadvisable to try and predict effects based on blood THC concentrations alone, and currently impossible to predict specific effects based on THC-COOH concentrations. It is possible for a person to be affected by marijuana use with concentrations of THC in their blood below the limit of detection of the method. Mathematical models have been developed to estimate the time of marijuana exposure within a 95% confidence interval. Knowing the elapsed time from marijuana exposure can then be used to predict impairment in concurrent cognitive and psychomotor effects based on data in the published literature.
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https://www.nhtsa.gov/People/injury/research/job185drugs/cannabis.htm
 
Agoxlea said:
They can do a blood test, but a blood test isn't currently able to detect current impairment. So yes they can test but it isn't useful. A blood test is a voluntary alternative to a breathalyzer for alcohol. Refer to the NHTSA.




https://www.nhtsa.gov/People/injury/research/job185drugs/cannabis.htm
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Seriously, those quotes say it all. That is straight from the horse's mouth- the NHTSA. They say they can't test for current impairment from marijuana. I don't know how many times those quotes need to be posted before people stop arguing that it can be done.
 
CONAN said:
No he hasn't. He said the law doesn't apply to him because he doesn't believe it's a just law so he doesn't have to follow it and feels no responsibility for consequences of breaking it.
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He said that? Where? Granted, I didn't go thru all 48 pages of this current abortion, but going back to the last 8 or so it would appear that his position is that it is justified to break silly laws, not that the law wouldn't apply to him if he was caught breaking it or that he wouldn't accept the consequences.
 
Bronco70 said:
You watch a scary movie, eat a favorite food, listen to music, cheer for a team, or have sex, you're altering the chemistry of your brain. (You'll have to take my word for it on that last one, Conan.)
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LMAO! That's not really fair, though. Spanking it while looking at old Ty Detmer pics probably alters brain chemistry as well.
 
Nate505 said:
He said that? Where? Granted, I didn't go thru all 48 pages of this current abortion, but going back to the last 8 or so it would appear that his position is that it is justified to break silly laws, not that the law wouldn't apply to him if he was caught breaking it or that he wouldn't accept the consequences.
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He doesn't have a choice whether or not to accept the consequences. That wasn't the point.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Seriously, those quotes say it all. That is straight from the horse's mouth- the NHTSA. They say they can't test for current impairment from marijuana. I don't know how many times those quotes need to be posted before people stop arguing that it can be done.
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I'm confident that no matter how many times it is offered to you that there is a difference between "don't have the supplies/knowledge to do this now" and "it can't be done", you will continue to affirm the NHTSA affirmaiton of the former as evidence of the latter. It brings a smail to my face very time.
 
One Brow said:
I'm confident that no matter how many times it is offered to you that there is a difference between "don't have the supplies/knowledge to do this now" and "it can't be done", you will continue to affirm the NHTSA affirmaiton of the former as evidence of the latter. It brings a smail to my face very time.
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One Brow said:
I'm confident that no matter how many times it is offered to you that there is a difference between "don't have the supplies/knowledge to do this now" and "it can't be done", you will continue to affirm the NHTSA affirmaiton of the former as evidence of the latter. It brings a smail to my face very time.
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We're talking about what we can do right now. We're not talking about what might theoretically be possible someday. Heck, someday we will probably teleport from one place to another and won't have to drive at all.

With the technology we have today, it is not possible to test for current marijuana impairment based on concentrations of THC in the blood. The NHTSA confirmed this, so there is no debate.

If you keep arguing about it, I'll zap you with my telepathic ray gun that shoots across the internet and through a computer monitor. No, it's not possible to do this right now, but maybe someday it might be.
 
SaltyDawg said:
With the technology we have today, it is not possible to test for current marijuana impairment based on concentrations of THC in the blood. The NHTSA confirmed this, so there is no debate.
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When you make a reasonable position based on the evidence, you don't get an argument.
 
One Brow said:
When you make a reasonable position based on the evidence, you don't get an argument.
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That was my position all along. I never said nor implied that for the remainder of man's time on planet earth nobody will ever be able to test for THC impairment at any point. I was talking about what we can do right now.
 
I know this has already been touched on but this quote has been running around in my mind whenever I see this thread.


"In any civilized society, it is every citizen's responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen's responsibility to disobey unjust laws."
Martin Luther King Jr
 
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