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I will say it's an oddity to read in the same thread on the same day a ridiculous statement that I have never read before, that religion isn't irrational, and a ridiculous statement that is used over and over again, that "lack of belief" is a belief.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
I will say it's an oddity to read in the same thread on the same day a ridiculous statement that I have never read before, that religion isn't irrational, and a ridiculous statement that is used over and over again, that "lack of belief" is a belief.
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You don have to agree that is fine. But if you do not believe in God. Classify it how you want. That's a belief to me.
 
Stoked said:
You don have to agree that is fine. But if you do not believe in God. Classify it how you want. That's a belief to me.
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It's awful logic, though.

You're irrational because you don't believe in any ethereal situation. You don't believe Zeus is gonna rain lightning bolts on your ***. You have a religion.

A sentient alien visits you and you ask it/him/her if it/he/she believes in "god," and you're told there's no reason to, and in you're logic, the alien has a belief. It's ridiculous.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
It's awful logic, though.

You're irrational because you don't believe in any ethereal situation. You don't believe Zeus is gonna rain lightning bolts on your ***. You have a religion.

A sentient alien visits you and you ask it/him/her if it/he/she believes in "god," and you're told there's no reason to, and in you're logic, the alien has a belief. It's ridiculous.
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It is equally foolish to me to claim that the belief that there is no God is not belief. Your silly examples or not
 
You keep saying "belief that there is no god." That is an inaccurate statement. The accurate statement would be "no belief in a god."

As many have said before me, atheism is a belief like bald is a hair color.
 
One Brow said:
Would you forbid someone from marrying an 80-year-old woman? Your silence on this is telling, because I'm fairly sure you would allow for this, even though there is no chance of procreation. That indicates you are deceiving someone, probably yourself.
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agaiun i would NOT.

omg how the **** is it hard to understand.

mariage is for proctreation.
a man and woman are needed for procreation.
some unfertile men and women will fall to the cracks. thats ok. but we dont go forcing millions and millions of ss mariage through the cracks.


GET IT?

seriously wtf? are you DENSE?
 
gandalfe said:
You keep saying "belief that there is no god." That is an inaccurate statement. The accurate statement would be "no belief in a god."

As many have said before me, atheism is a belief like bald is a hair color.
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Atheism:
noun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

How about that...
 
One Brow said:
Anything based on faith is by definition irrational, but that includes my humanism every bit as much as your Mormonism.

While I'm in favor of legalizing marijuana and prostitution, I recognize there are rational arguments against either one. While I am in favor of raising the minimum wage, I recognize there are rational arguments against it. In cases like this, I try to make my decision based on the preponderance of the evidence and what seems to do the most good or cause the least harm.

However, I'm still waiting to hear an argument based on reason and/or sound judgments against gay marriage.
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how about this sound reason.
the defintion of mariage you accept differs from the definition. is different then the definition i accept for mariage.
that is sound reason enough.
i define marriage as something you do for procreation.
ss mariage do not lead to procreation.

you would say an 80 year old woman would normally not procreate. i say 90%(or surely more) of heterosexuals procreate. so there will be some infertile (people/couples) who will fall through the cracks. i am not a fan of therefore forcing all other same sex mariages through those cracks. cus then the system breaks down.


if you say mariage is for love so that 2 people can spent there live togetehr and get benefits(certain rights) then yes marriage should not be only for heterosexuals.
 
DutchJazzer said:
you would say an 80 year old woman would normally not procreate. i say 90%(or surely more) of heterosexuals procreate. so there will be some infertile (people/couples) who will fall through the cracks. i am not a fan of therefore forcing all other same sex mariages through those cracks. cus then the system breaks down.
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NO woman has ever borne a child at the age of 80. The oldest verified birth (there are other questionable reports up to the age of 73) was 70 years old. Secondly, where in the marriage contract does it ever say "to procreate?" I have never heard a marriage vow that includes that. Given that procreation is possible (and likely) without marriage, your argument falls apart on THAT basis as well. Face it, the only reason you don't want same-sex marriage to be legal is you don't want people of the same sex to get married.
 
Stoked said:
Atheism:
noun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

How about that...
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Where did you find that definition?

From Merriam-Webster: (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism)
Definition of ATHEISM

1
archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
2
a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
b : the doctrine that there is no deity

From the OED: (https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/atheism)
atheism
Syllabification: a·the·ism
Pronunciation: /ˈāTHēˌizəm /
NOUN

Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Shall I go on?
 
gandalfe said:
NO woman has ever borne a child at the age of 80. The oldest verified birth (there are other questionable reports up to the age of 73) was 70 years old. Secondly, where in the marriage contract does it ever say "to procreate?" I have never heard a marriage vow that includes that. Given that procreation is possible (and likely) without marriage, your argument falls apart on THAT basis as well. Face it, the only reason you don't want same-sex marriage to be legal is you don't want people of the same sex to get married.
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THAT IS MY BELIEF
MY DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE!

dont you GET IT

and every system has cracks so wtf if 0.00000000001% women get married at age 80 or whatever. every system has it cracks. people fall through cracks all the time.

but i am not a fan of shoving **** down that crack
 
DutchJazzer said:
THAT IS MY BELIEF
MY DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE!

dont you GET IT

and every system has cracks so wtf if 0.00000000001% women get married at age 80 or whatever. every system has it cracks. people fall through cracks all the time.

but i am not a fan of shoving **** down that crack
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Oh, believe me, I get it. In fact, I said so. You don't want same-sex marriage because you don't want same-sex marriage. You SAY it's because marriage is for procreation, but you are being intellectually dishonest, because when you're given other cases where there will be no chance of procreation, you say, "Oh, well, that's different."

And then, to top it off, you talk about "forcing" gay marriage. Who is it being forced on? Will men suddenly be forced to marry other men? How, exactly, would it affect you? How? Why does it matter to you so much what other people do, and how they find happiness?
 
gandalfe said:
Oh, believe me, I get it. In fact, I said so. You don't want same-sex marriage because you don't want same-sex marriage. You SAY it's because marriage is for procreation, but you are being intellectually dishonest, because when you're given other cases where there will be no chance of procreation, you say, "Oh, well, that's different."

And then, to top it off, you talk about "forcing" gay marriage. Who is it being forced on? Will men suddenly be forced to marry other men? How, exactly, would it affect you? How? Why does it matter to you so much what other people do, and how they find happiness?
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explained it in the other thread couple months ago about the value of family. and that a hurdle for procreation should be in place. as it being mariage. because if people take procreation and marriage lightly. it would lead to more single parent families. and that affects us all.
by saying marriage is for 2 people who love each other, sends a message it is temporary. and marriage is taken lightly.
if marriage is not an (unofficial) hurdle for procreation. procreation gets taken more lighlty.
if procreation and mariage are taken like some big ****ing joke.
it means family(unit) is taken lightly.
when that happens more single parent families and unwanted pregnancy(note the word more.) if marriage and procreation are taken serious there are always irresponsible people who take it lightly.
although single parenting is not the cause of crime(there are a gazillion) but statistic show kids are more likely to become criminals from single parenting houses

As society if we send a unofficial message: "fall in love, spent time together, marry then procreate" it would be a better society. because people who have a family unit(mother father and children) tend to stay together if they fall out of love. divorces should then only happen in case of real problems like abuse, crime and even extramarital affairs.(although if a extramarital affair happens every now and again i personally would forgive and stay together for the sake of children but thats another discusion)
marry for love? marriage is a bond for eternity and love does not last an eternity. heck it last a couple of years, a decade if your lucky.

SO THIS IS WHY THE **** I AM AGAINST SAME SEX MARRIAGE. it sends the message to marry out of love. you either disagree with it or not. THIS IS MY ****ING OPINION (in part not my complete opinion. Tried to explain my pov as best as i could given the language barrier. you might say my English is good enough, but it is also frustrating that my thoughts are hard to put on "paper" in english. and doesnt always come out quite righ

Call me a bigot or ignorant whatever the **** you want. but guess what thats YOUR ****ING opinion)
lighten the **** up and stop asking the same questions. it is my opinion, i never ever protested against same sex marriage. i wont protest it, guess what i should not care if my male neighbor marries another dude or not. and i DON'T. But i do have an opinion, views and speculation on it and what it does to society(big picture) as a whol

this thread started about cuban walking on eggshells cus he got something to lose.

these days the world is polarizing, cant have an opinion that is contrary to popular believe. cus then you instantly turn into a "HATER". and you instantly become offensive


whatever bro i am done with this discussion.
same ****ing question
same ****ing answers.
then the same questions come again.
 
Would you be in favor of a law that penalized married heterosexual couples who do not procreate?

Also, are you so sure, in a world which is quickly reaching the maximum population, that actively encouraging procreation is a good thing?

And, I'm not aware of your personal marital status. If you are married, did you make a solemn vow to procreate? If not, are you planning to?
 
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gandalfe said:
Would you be in favor of a law that penalized married heterosexual couples who do not procreate?

Also, are you so sure, in a world which is quickly reaching the maximum population, that actively encouraging procreation is a good thing?

And, I'm not aware of your personal marital status. If you are married, did you make a solemn vow to procreate? If not, are you planning to?
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i'm done tried to explain it best i could.
and i am anti government.

if you dont get my previous post i dont care call me a biggot.
not discussing this anymore.
 
DutchJazzer said:
explained it in the other thread couple months ago about the value of family. and that a hurdle for procreation should be in place. as it being mariage. because if people take procreation and marriage lightly. it would lead to more single parent families. and that affects us all.
by saying marriage is for 2 people who love each other, sends a message it is temporary. and marriage is taken lightly.
if marriage is not an (unofficial) hurdle for procreation. procreation gets taken more lighlty.
if procreation and mariage are taken like some big ****ing joke.
it means family(unit) is taken lightly.
when that happens more single parent families and unwanted pregnancy(note the word more.) if marriage and procreation are taken serious there are always irresponsible people who take it lightly.
although single parenting is not the cause of crime(there are a gazillion) but statistic show kids are more likely to become criminals from single parenting houses

As society if we send a unofficial message: "fall in love, spent time together, marry then procreate" it would be a better society. because people who have a family unit(mother father and children) tend to stay together if they fall out of love. divorces should then only happen in case of real problems like abuse, crime and even extramarital affairs.(although if a extramarital affair happens every now and again i personally would forgive and stay together for the sake of children but thats another discusion)
marry for love? marriage is a bond for eternity and love does not last an eternity. heck it last a couple of years, a decade if your lucky.

SO THIS IS WHY THE **** I AM AGAINST SAME SEX MARRIAGE. it sends the message to marry out of love. you either disagree with it or not. THIS IS MY ****ING OPINION (in part not my complete opinion. Tried to explain my pov as best as i could given the language barrier. you might say my English is good enough, but it is also frustrating that my thoughts are hard to put on "paper" in english. and doesnt always come out quite righ

Call me a bigot or ignorant whatever the **** you want. but guess what thats YOUR ****ING opinion)
lighten the **** up and stop asking the same questions. it is my opinion, i never ever protested against same sex marriage. i wont protest it, guess what i should not care if my male neighbor marries another dude or not. and i DON'T. But i do have an opinion, views and speculation on it and what it does to society(big picture) as a whol

this thread started about cuban walking on eggshells cus he got something to lose.

these days the world is polarizing, cant have an opinion that is contrary to popular believe. cus then you instantly turn into a "HATER". and you instantly become offensive


whatever bro i am done with this discussion.
same ****ing question
same ****ing answers.
then the same questions come again.
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Who the hell is this? ^^^^^^^^^

i know that aint dutch.... where are all the mis-spelled words? Where is all the ****ed up punctuation? How is it that i can understand everything in this post?

Is this proof that the "real" dutch is in fact a schtick?
 
gandalfe said:
And, definitions aside, Stoked: Your saying that I believe something doesn't mean that I do.
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Fair enough. We were talking in a general sense and not you specifically. But you have your opinion and I have mine. That's all this boils down to. Opinions.
 
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