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In Coach Sloan's offense, it was more inside the 3-point line, where you could get some kickouts," Hornacek said. "For the three man, actually, it was easier to get threes, because we were running the three man guy with Karl. John and I were inside the line, and in transition, obviously, we could pull up. But it's a different game now." Jackson's response: "Hornacek -- great shooter. John Stockton -- good to very good shooter. Not a great shooter. Don't get me wrong. He was an all-time great player. But John Stockton would not be considered a great shooter." NBA.com


The rebuttal:

Jody Genessy: Stockton's eFG% for 19 seasons: .546. Guys Jackson considers great shooters: Steph Curry (.546, 5 years) and Klay Thompson (.523, 3 years). Twitter @DJJazzyJody
 
Stoked said:
In Coach Sloan's offense, it was more inside the 3-point line, where you could get some kickouts," Hornacek said. "For the three man, actually, it was easier to get threes, because we were running the three man guy with Karl. John and I were inside the line, and in transition, obviously, we could pull up. But it's a different game now." Jackson's response: "Hornacek -- great shooter. John Stockton -- good to very good shooter. Not a great shooter. Don't get me wrong. He was an all-time great player. But John Stockton would not be considered a great shooter." NBA.com


The rebuttal:

Jody Genessy: Stockton's eFG% for 19 seasons: .546. Guys Jackson considers great shooters: Steph Curry (.546, 5 years) and Klay Thompson (.523, 3 years). Twitter @DJJazzyJody
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saw this on twitter last night, was blown away by it all
 
Who cares what an overrated, non-HOF, fat PG has to say about Stockton...I put more "stock" into the opinions HOF point guards like Gary Payton, Magic Johnson, and Bob Cousy have of him.
 
akirac73 said:
Who cares what an overrated, non-HOF, fat PG has to say about Stockton...I put more "stock" into the opinions HOF point guards like Gary Payton, Magic Johnson, and Bob Cousy have of him.
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i see what you did there
 
It is good to see Mark Jackson continuing to show what a jealous prick he is.
 
It really just depends on what your definition of great is. I would call him great but I wouldn't say he was as good as guys like Steve Nash or Reggie Miller. I would say Stockton was great and those guys are the greatest.
 
Bigby Wolf said:
It really just depends on what your definition of great is. I would call him great but I wouldn't say he was as good as guys like Steve Nash or Reggie Miller. I would say Stockton was great and those guys are the greatest.
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Stock 24 on this list. Nash is 16. Reggie Miller is 30. Hornie is 55. A case can clearly be made that Stockton was a better shooter than Miller, but in my opinion all of them are clearly great when they show up towards the top of a list like this that is pretty much dominated by big men.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/efg_pct_career.html




* apparently I was looking at the combined NBA/ABA list because it's on the left. Good enough for this point, I think.
 
John (an undersized, unathletic PG) managed to shoot >50% FG for an entire season 12 (12!) times. He had a complete season that he shot 57% FG (making him one of only 2 guards {Johnny Dawkins} in the history of the NBA to play starters minutes and shoot >57% for a season)

he shot >40% from 3 for 7 seasons.

I define shooting (esp. from a little dude who cant just dunk on everyone, or use his athleticism to get open shots at the rim 10 times a night) as the ability to put the ball through the hoop from anywhere on the floor. John was undeniably, by my definition, a great shooter.
 
I understand someone putting Stockton up there but I wouldn't. He never really shot enough for me. Jose Calderon is a guy who reminds me of him when it comes to shooting now. A guy who you think could maybe be a great shooter but never really shoots enough to know.
 
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Bigby Wolf said:
I understand someone putting Stockton up there but I wouldn't. He never really shot enough for me. Jose Calderon is a guy who reminds me of him when it comes to shooting now. A guy who you think could maybe be a great shooter but never really shoots enough to know.
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Stockton didn't become the world's greatest ever distributor by being anything less than a great shooter.

For comparison, he scored only about 2 points less per game than Steve Nash over about ten prime seasons, while assisting 3 more per game. I consider Nash a great shooter and less than two more shots a game isn't enough to separate him from Stockton.
 
Ya maybe you guys are right. When I think of Stockton I just never really think "one of the greatest shooters ever". Looking at the numbers though I guess I should start thinking that.

Random question though. Was Stockton ever criticized for not shooting enough in the same way Mavs fans criticize Calderon? Stockton only took 1.5 threes per game and I realize the game has changed but that still seems a bit low for such a great shooter.
 
I always wished Stockton would shoot more, because I, like most fans, knew his shots had a great chance of going in. He could shoot very accurately from any spot on the floor. He didn't have perfect form and I wouldn't bunch him in with Ray Allen or Curry, who are pure shooters. Then again, Michael Jordan didn't have a pure jumper either, but to say he wasn't a very good shooter would be crazy.
 
Perspective

First, Stockton was a great shooter.

However, you really need to calibrate eFG% to the player's role on the team. You have to be careful to not compare apples to bananas.

Stock was pass-first and shot much less than, say shooters like Miller or Curry. He was less likely to take a contested shot, he would instead work for a better shot for himself or others. Stock took higher percentage shots when compared to others who are primary scorers for their team, who are relied upon to score with frequency and therefore not be as selective. If Stockton were asked to score 25 a game, his FG% would drop significantly.

Stockton is elite, but below the likes of Miller, Curry, Nash, Bird, Horny, Mullin, Dirk, Ray Allen, Rick Barry, Jerry West for this reason. Stockton is probably top 50, definitely not top 20.

And, yes, Jackson is a #$%$
 
Bigby Wolf said:
Ya maybe you guys are right. When I think of Stockton I just never really think "one of the greatest shooters ever". Looking at the numbers though I guess I should start thinking that.
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Did you watch him much? I'm guessing not, from your next question. But he had a beautiful shot and basically whenever he put it up, I thought "That's going in!" Especially when he was left unguarded, he was money.

Bigby Wolf said:
Random question though. Was Stockton ever criticized for not shooting enough in the same way Mavs fans criticize Calderon? Stockton only took 1.5 threes per game and I realize the game has changed but that still seems a bit low for such a great shooter.
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Yes, fans often said Stockton should shoot more.
 
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