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In any case, I find her timeline of what allegedly occurred to seem unlikely. She claims he anally raped her but then goes on to say they essentially had consensual relations after that? What woman would be raped and then decide to have relations with the man thereafter? Transactional or not.

Women who feel that they don't have much choice (Lauer had a lot of power from his position on Today), or who feel the need to exert some control over the loss of autonomy, or are just in denial about the reality for a period of time. Again, lots of reasons, and it's happened to many women.
 
I supposed she deserved to be raped then, according to you. **** you, and **** your denials in support of a rapist.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize he was convicted. In my opinion her story doesn't add up. Have you considered maybe they had an affair and he shunned her?
 
I'm sorry, I didn't realize he was convicted.

So, you're only a rapist if you are convicted of rape?

In my opinion her story doesn't add up. Have you considered maybe they had an affair and he shunned her?

Have you considered the humiliation, shame, and negative feedback that any woman who discusses her rape goes through? Have you considered that she probably just destroyed her own career? Have you considered that false rape accusations cause 100 times the pain for the accusers than for the accused, which is why they are so rare? Have you considered that you are spouting the talking points of MRAs everywhere who hate the idea of their hegemony being diminished?

I can keep going. Shall we make a list of everything you think I haven't considered and everything I think you haven't considered, and see who looks more like a jackass at the end of it (hint: it's one of the very few ways someone can look more like a jackass than I)?
 
So, you're only a rapist if you are convicted of rape?



Have you considered the humiliation, shame, and negative feedback that any woman who discusses her rape goes through? Have you considered that she probably just destroyed her own career? Have you considered that false rape accusations cause 100 times the pain for the accusers than for the accused, which is why they are so rare? Have you considered that you are spouting the talking points of MRAs everywhere who hate the idea of their hegemony being diminished?

I can keep going. Shall we make a list of everything you think I haven't considered and everything I think you haven't considered, and see who looks more like a jackass at the end of it (hint: it's one of the very few ways someone can look more like a jackass than I)?
And, let's be honest. The thread title alone makes him look like a total jackass.
 
So, you're only a rapist if you are convicted of rape?



Have you considered the humiliation, shame, and negative feedback that any woman who discusses her rape goes through? Have you considered that she probably just destroyed her own career? Have you considered that false rape accusations cause 100 times the pain for the accusers than for the accused, which is why they are so rare? Have you considered that you are spouting the talking points of MRAs everywhere who hate the idea of their hegemony being diminished?

I can keep going. Shall we make a list of everything you think I haven't considered and everything I think you haven't considered, and see who looks more like a jackass at the end of it (hint: it's one of the very few ways someone can look more like a jackass than I)?

Save me your sanctimonious smugness, I'm going off what's been said by both parties.

Matt is obviously a pig, ok? But that doesn't make him a rapist. There are a ton of men AND women out there who are sexual predators. Tons of people have affairs and flings.

In most cases I side with the victim but in this instance I don't believe her based on the evidence.


Did you know:

-She claims she gave him a BJ so that he would record a video diss to her ex-boyfriend?
-The affair was lengthy with many sexual encounters.
-She came to his hotel room TWICE late that night after drinking with him in the bar. He says they engaged in oral, vaginal and anal sex. She says he immediately pushed her on to the bed and anally raped her.


Here's Matt's version of the events:

"Lauer denied raping Nevils in a lengthy letter to Variety.

“In a new book, it is alleged that an extramarital, but consensual, sexual encounter I have previously admitted having, was in fact an assault. It is categorically false, ignores the facts, and defies common sense,” he said. “I had an extramarital affair with Brooke Nevils in 2014. It began when she came to my hotel room very late one night in Sochi, Russia. We engaged in a variety of sexual acts. We performed oral sex on each other, we had vaginal sex, and we had anal sex. Each act was mutual and completely consensual.”

PEOPLE is out to Nevils for comment.

Lauer continued: “The story Brooke tells is filled with false details intended only to create the impression this was an abusive encounter. Nothing could be further from the truth. There was absolutely nothing aggressive about that encounter. Brooke did not do or say anything to object. She certainly did not cry. She was a fully enthusiastic and willing partner. At no time did she behave in a way that made it appear she was incapable of consent. She seemed to know exactly what she wanted to do. The only concern she expressed was that someone might see her leaving my room. She embraced me at the door as she left.”

Lauer acknowledged that the encounter was the beginning of his affair with Nevils and “the first of many sexual encounters between us over the next several months.”

“At no time, during or after her multiple visits to my apartment, did she express in words or actions any discomfort with being there, or with our affair,” he said. “She also went out of her way to see me several times in my dressing room at work, and on one of those occasions we had a sexual encounter. It showed terrible judgment on my part, but it was completely mutual and consensual.”

“Brooke now says that she was terrified about the control I had over her career and felt pressure to agree to our encounters after Sochi. But at no time during our relationship did Brooke work for me, the Today Show, or NBC News,” he continued. “She worked for Meredith Vieira (who had not worked for the Today Show in several years) in a completely different part of the network, and I had no role in reviewing Brooke’s work.”



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Save me your sanctimonious smugness, I'm going off what's been said by both parties.

When you save me the delusional misogyny, you'll see less sanctimonious smugness.

Matt is obviously a pig, ok? But that doesn't make him a rapist. There are a ton of men AND women out there who are sexual predators. Tons of people have affairs and flings.

This is not the first accusation of predatory behavior against Lauer, it probably won't be the last. How did that play into assessment?

In most cases I side with the victim but in this instance I don't believe her based on the evidence.

Did you know:

-She claims she gave him a BJ so that he would record a video diss to her ex-boyfriend?
-The affair was lengthy with many sexual encounters.
-She came to his hotel room TWICE late that night after drinking with him in the bar. He says they engaged in oral, vaginal and anal sex. She says he immediately pushed her on to the bed and anally raped her.

Did you know that not one of those behaviors is unusual for victims of rape?

... and I had no role in reviewing Brooke’s work.”

That a very carefully worded denial. The notion that Lauer couldn't threaten her career is so dumb you can't even properly satirize it.
 
When you save me the delusional misogyny, you'll see less sanctimonious smugness.



This is not the first accusation of predatory behavior against Lauer, it probably won't be the last. How did that play into assessment?



Did you know that not one of those behaviors is unusual for victims of rape?



That a very carefully worded denial. The notion that Lauer couldn't threaten her career is so dumb you can't even properly satirize it.

Matt Lauer is a colossal douchebag and obviously used his celebrity and position to cheat on his wife regularly. But he lost his career because of this woman who after allegedly being violently anally raped to the point of "bleeding for days" had an ongoing relationship with him. I'm just not buying it.

Innocent till proven guilty. Do you believe in that, Onebrow? This is not like Trump where he is on tape boasting about grabbing random women by the *****.

What part of -she went to his room late night after drinks at the bar- do you not get? Did she think they were going to watch footage of Matt hosting the Olympics? Who is the predator here? Calling me a delusional misogynist shows you can't hold a rational conversation. Again, spare me your sanctimonious smugness.

That being said, I get where you're coming from, I just think the evidence is extremely flimsy in this instance. It caused him to lose his career, wrecked his life and caused severe stress to his wife and children.
 
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BTW, @One Brow, why would she give up her anonymity to contribute salacious details for a book two years after she accomplished her goal of taking him down?
 
Women who feel that they don't have much choice (Lauer had a lot of power from his position on Today), or who feel the need to exert some control over the loss of autonomy, or are just in denial about the reality for a period of time. Again, lots of reasons, and it's happened to many women.

This is fair. Thank you.
 
Matt Lauer is a colossal douchebag and obviously used his celebrity and position to cheat on his wife regularly. But he lost his career because of this woman who after allegedly being violently anally raped to the point of "bleeding for days" had an ongoing relationship with him. I'm just not buying it.

No one gives a flying **** what you buy (I have type maybe five curse words total in my time here on JazzFanz, three in this thread alone). I mean, you're to ignorant of the situation that you are referring to "this woman", as if she is the only accuser. Get a clue and a reality check first, and then maybe you'll be able to type an informed opinion.

Innocent till proven guilty. Do you believe in that, Onebrow?

I'm not on Matt Lauer's criminal trial jury, so I don't have to use a criminal trial standard in my opinion. I despise how defenders of rapists suddenly insist on treating the rapist as innocent, but have no problem saying the raped person made false, damaging statements (which is also a crime, but I guess innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to raped women, eh?).

This is not like Trump where he is on tape boasting about grabbing random women by the *****.

Of course not. You strongly dislike Trump.

What part of -she went to his room late night after drinks at the bar- do you not get? Did she think they were going to watch footage of Matt hosting the Olympics?

I got all of that. That's champion victim-blaming. You are a top-notch defender of rapists.

Who is the predator here?

Matt Lauer, based on the testimony of multiple women.

Calling me a delusional misogynist shows you can't hold a rational conversation.

I will call any defenders of rapists a delusional misogynist, and feel perfectly justified in so doing.

Again, spare me your sanctimonious smugness.

Sure. As soon as you lay off defending rapists and blaming victims, you won't hear another word from me about it.

That being said, I get where you're coming from, I just think the evidence is extremely flimsy in this instance. It caused him to lose his career, wrecked his life and caused severe stress to his wife and children.

Not "it", "they", as in "multiple accusations".
 
BTW, @One Brow, why would she give up her anonymity to contribute salacious details for a book two years after she accomplished her goal of taking him down?

You mean, like 5 reasons?
1. The possibility of money, if she's lucky
2. Showing solidarity with other victims
3. Making sure Lauer is never in a position to do this again
4. Dealing with her trauma
5. Airing an ongoing problem that has haunted women for generations
 
No one gives a flying **** what you buy (I have type maybe five curse words total in my time here on JazzFanz, three in this thread alone). I mean, you're to ignorant of the situation that you are referring to "this woman", as if she is the only accuser. Get a clue and a reality check first, and then maybe you'll be able to type an informed opinion.



I'm not on Matt Lauer's criminal trial jury, so I don't have to use a criminal trial standard in my opinion. I despise how defenders of rapists suddenly insist on treating the rapist as innocent, but have no problem saying the raped person made false, damaging statements (which is also a crime, but I guess innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to raped women, eh?).



Of course not. You strongly dislike Trump.



I got all of that. That's champion victim-blaming. You are a top-notch defender of rapists.



Matt Lauer, based on the testimony of multiple women.



I will call any defenders of rapists a delusional misogynist, and feel perfectly justified in so doing.



Sure. As soon as you lay off defending rapists and blaming victims, you won't hear another word from me about it.



Not "it", "they", as in "multiple accusations".


You don't know ****. You can have your opinion but you don't really know do you? So step off your ****ing pedestal.
 
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You mean, like 5 reasons?
1. The possibility of money, if she's lucky
2. Showing solidarity with other victims
3. Making sure Lauer is never in a position to do this again
4. Dealing with her trauma
5. Airing an ongoing problem that has haunted women for generations


How about she got involved with him looking to get a career boost? Then after a affair in Russia, his apartment, even his office he shunned her and she got revenge. Impossible isn't it?
 
You mean, like 5 reasons?
1. The possibility of money, if she's lucky
2. Showing solidarity with other victims
3. Making sure Lauer is never in a position to do this again
4. Dealing with her trauma
5. Airing an ongoing problem that has haunted women for generations
Don't forget... Someone actually cared enough to ask her.
 
You don't know ****. You can have your opinion but you don't really know do you? So step off your ****ing pedestal.

I obviously know more about the situation than you did, since you kept referring to a single person. So, stop worrying about defending yourself and some rapist, and learn about it instead.
 
How about she got involved with him looking to get a career boost? Then after a affair in Russia, his apartment, even his office he shunned her and she got revenge. Impossible isn't it?

Very few things are impossible. Many things are so stupid that people should be ashamed to think they might be true, such as you comment here still using classic misogynistic tactics to defend a rapist.
 
I obviously know more about the situation than you did, since you kept referring to a single person. So, stop worrying about defending yourself and some rapist, and learn about it instead.

You seem so sure of yourself. Who else has come forward with rape allegations? As far as I know not one other person has come forward. Who else has come forward with sexual misconduct allegations?

Right now it's a she said/he said between Brooke Nevils and Matt Lauer and she's admitted she went to his hotel room late night. What do you think she wanted from him? Why would she then stay in a lengthy relationship with him? Why would she give him a BJ for a diss video for her ex?

This is ludicrous:

"I'm not on Matt Lauer's criminal trial jury, so I don't have to use a criminal trial standard in my opinion. I despise how defenders of rapists suddenly insist on treating the rapist as innocent, but have no problem saying the raped person made false, damaging statements (which is also a crime, but I guess innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to raped women, eh?)."

Again, you don't know ****. I never said it positively didn't happen, it might have. But a rape allegation is serious enough that I'm not going to convict someone based on an allegation with not a shred of hard evidence.
 
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