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Maybe it's Millsap...

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jimmyjazz

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..who'll be an All-Star.

He didn’t get any promises from Deron. He wasn’t the big trade. He wasn’t great in the ultimately meaningless preseason.

Maybe he’s been able to take advantage of the attention on Jefferson. Or he just works his *** off. But Sap's been the Jazz’s best player through a few games of good times and bad. He keeps this up, maybe Paul can pull off a big All-Star surprise. Oh let's just go for three Jazz All-Stars.
 
It's always a possiblity man.
I've been telling people for years that Millsap is just as good as Boozer on the offensive end, and 10 thousands times better on the defensive end.

Not to mention how Millsap has improved his ball handling and jump shot in the last few years.

I mean think about it.......
Millsap just put Dwight Howard numbers tonight, and the guy is only around 6'7 or 6'8!!!
 
The idea that Millsap could replace Boozer is something that no one who understands skillsets would reasonably conclude.

He is a wonderful piece, but to confuse him with a lynchpin in a post-centric offense is to confuse emotions with facts.

Millsap is not a player that can truly create for himself, certainly not in the context of iso'ing him out of the low post, nor in creating consistent facilitation high. He's a brilliant instinct and, through that, impact player that relies on hustle rather than well-developed fundamentals, at least so far as his offensive game.

His numbers are created through his own gifts, but also in his ability to get results from attention focused on others.

Remove Jefferson or Boozer, altogether, and the results would noticeably dip.

Millsap's point production is created, in my estimation, often through Utah's offensive schemes, and those schemes would be greatly reduced or extirpated without a post presence to initiate through.

I guy like Karl Malone (ok, who exists to fit that role today?) creates for the system. A guy like Millsap largely benefits from that guy, and thus the system.
 
Well said 2814
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In which fundamentals do you find him lacking? Court awareness? Foot work? Post moves? The ability to pass out of the post? Shooting mechanics? The only thing he gives up on Boozer is 1 inch and his left hand, and we all know what Boozer's currently doing with his left hand!

Besides the fact that Millsap has great post moves, a soft, tight jumper, very intelligent court awareness, a fantastic handle (as we saw last night), and is a WARRIOR who battles for 82/48, he certainly CAN create for himself when necessary. I've seen him make moves in the post that have made by jaw drop, and I'd certainly build a post centric roster around him any day of the week before that ballet dancin pansy Boozer.

No doubt he is helped by Jefferson's presence, but that's the beauty of it.
 
JohnnyClutch said:
Besides the fact that Millsap has great post moves,
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I take it that, with incisive (cut to the quick, like Owen Wilson, say) analysis like the above, we can soon expect brooklynjazzesque threads from you portraying Millsap as greater talent than Karl Malone.

That's about how far from reality the hyperbole you've provided so far is.

It reads like a blind person's play-by-play. Ridiculous. Embarrassing. And sadly typical for a fanbase that deifies and vilifies like idiot villagers with pitch forks, or a girl buying the latest issue of Big Bopper.

Convenient that you underline one of my initial points: replacing fact with emotion.

Maybe Millsap's nicer than Boozer. Probably nicer than Kevin McHale.

That doesn't give him a passable post game in the context of larger offensive design.
 
Last I remember, most of Boozer's shots were 17 footers, so what's the big deal anyways? Boozer is ambidextrous and certainly has a better post game, but I'd take Millsap in any situation beyond 10 feet. Millsap is a better ball-handler who can attack the rim, and has improved his jump shot to Boozer's level at this point.

But yeah, if you want to feed the ball into the post every posession, I'd take Boozer. Unfortunately for your argument, that hasn't been the teams M.O. anytime recently.
 
cjs55 said:
But yeah, if you want to feed the ball into the post every posession, I'd take Boozer. Unfortunately for your argument, that hasn't been the teams M.O. anytime recently.
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Unfortunately for your argument, I don't think you understand Utah's offense, creation from high and low, nor the over-arching facilitation input/output variables that Boozer fed into and on.

Jefferson brings a different, though likely equal, equation to the offense, in the high versus low context. Inverted.

Millsap cannot fill the role of offensive anchor.

Late-30s Karl Malone was a high post player, relative to young Karl. He was also an amazing facilitator at that age, and was about as dominant in having the offense run through him as he was in his prime.

That you can't understand this is telling.
 
None of Boozer, Millsap, or Jefferson have even a hint of the passing ability or awareness that Malone displayed. Treating Boozer or Jefferson as if they were Malone is insane, and that's why the Jazz haven't done it.

Maybe you should go watch some jazz games from the 90's and some Boozer games. We are running different sets with a more balanced, less post-oriented focus these days. Many of Boozers scores are simply catch and shoot jumpers he obtained by playing in the system, very similar to what we saw Millsap do last night.

I will admit that in the playoffs, we do rely on the post-game much more as our system breaks down due to heightened defensive intensity. That said, all Boozer did in the playoffs was shoot fadeaway jumpshots (he's good at them, so it's not a bad thing). Millsap can replicate this. So we'll be just fine. Expect a balanced effort between Millsap, Jefferson, and Williams to lead the Jazz.
 
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It is too early to get all excited about Millsap. For one we'll have to see how he handles heavy mins at the starting position. Can he keep this up? Will he wear down? How will he handle reduced mins when Okur comes back? One 30-pt game doesn't make him an all star candidate right away. Let's atleast wait for a month
 
Arguing about who is better out of Millsap and Boozer is a bit silly. I was impressed by how well Al and PM complimented each other last night. Some here have suggested that they may not be able to play together for long stretches, and they both need another bigger guy to play next to them. I would love to see one of the big guys step up and be able to sub for either one, but last night showed me they compliment each other really well. Playing together they were really good.
 
cjs55 said:
None of Boozer, Millsap, or Jefferson have even a hint of the passing ability or awareness that Malone displayed. Treating Boozer or Jefferson as if they were Malone is insane, and that's why the Jazz haven't done it.
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I'm not talking about Malone's massive talent gap, so stop with casuistry.

I'm talking about a generalized role and mechanics.

What, as a baseline, is required to make this team compete or contend.

Maybe you should go watch some jazz games from the 90's and some Boozer games.
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Note that you ignore the point about high post facilitation.

Your initial point was purely to the side of the low post.

A coherent post offense can be spaced in a number of ways, and moved from mid to low to high.

Malone was far beyond any of these guys.

But Boozer's presence, either high or low, is a strobe light to Millsap's penlight in this offense.

Or, rather, as the offense versus being in the offense.
 
Yall are underrating Sap's ability to create his own shot. He was crossing his man up in the paint and either driving on them, or stepping back with ease.
 
But Boozer's presence, either high or low, is a strobe light to Millsap's penlight in this offense.

Or, rather, as the offense versus being in the offense.
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Deron Williams is the offense 'as the offense' in this current Jazz iteration. In the playoffs, when it counts, Deron's usage rises, while Boozer's stays the same. Not to mention last year in the playoffs, Millsap scored at a higher rate than Boozer with better efficiency.

We will miss Boozer on the defensive boards more than anything else.
 
I knew Millsap had a jump shot in his bag of tricks, but the range of his jump shots from the Oklahoma game were just crazy. If he can consistently knock down 20 footers and spread the defense that much more, watch out- the dude would be the best PF in the game imo.
 
I agree with 2814's overall point.

Millsap is a very effective finisher and high post player. He does not when placed in the low post distort the defensive team. In other word they don't respect his ability to score in the low post and will single cover him.

On the other hand Jefferson does distort the defense.

This doesn't take away the things that Millsap does better than Boozer or Jefferson but it goes shows what his basketball limitations are due to his size.
 
What is the point of this thread?
It started out saying Milsap is playing well, and could be the new Allstar on our team if he keeps it up.... then it turned into what?

We are glad Boozer is gone, and glad Jefferson is on our team.
We are glad Milsap is playing well, and that he is a good enough player to drop 30 and 16 as the "second best" post player on our team?
Do players that cant create a shot on their own score 30? How long will it take for him to be playing well, before defenses decide to respect his game which will take pressure off of Jefferson, and allow him to go off?

I'm glad we have both on our team. Go Jazz
 
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Bodhi said:
This is now an issue of morality and ethics? You REALLY do have a word of the day calendar..... cuuuuuuuuuuuuuute! (smiley face emoticon, smiley face emoticon, smiley face emoticon)
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Word of the day? Don't lower it to your own level.

Obviously you did little other than look up the most base-definition of the word, without understanding the underlying complexities.

That is, within lawyering, to obfuscate. Rather redundant.

And yes, my reply is pedagogic. Yet your post certainly called for it.

As far as psychology, it's humorous how typical you are: so sarcastic and simultaneously proud of your own ignorance. Though, I suppose to miss that point is the point. For you.
 
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