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Memo Scored 18 in yesterdays Turkish cup game

sepanol

sepanol

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There was a few recent games in Turkish cup, before league starts there are some official games under the name Turkish cup.

Memos team played against Anadolu Efes, with Sasha Vujacic and Ersan Ilyasova , and they lost 88-78


Memo scored 18 co-topscorer in the game with Vujacic from Efes. And Ersan scored 11

Although i havent seen the game, i can say that 18 points in a 40 min game against Efes sounds pretty good.

While in another game, besiktas , the team of D will, beat trabzonspor 78 67

In this game D will scored 15 while Semih Erden scored 20.

I dont know about any other stats like assists and rebounds though.


Also if anyone is interested here is a pretty realistic article about Kanter written by a guy called sam chadwick, he seems like a commenter of european teams

https://www.tblstat.net/article.asp?a=37027
 
i am never so high on memos game actually, but i believe he may be effective coming off the bench , we should keep him a few more years 5-6 millions per year
 
sepanol said:
i am never so high on memos game actually, but i believe he may be effective coming off the bench , we should keep him a few more years 5-6 millions per year
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A center who is neutral to ineffective on defense is not worth keeping at any price, even if he can make the money ball. Utah has other people who can make the 3, and a Kyle Korver-like player (preferably with more convincing defense himself) can be had for that amount.
 
InGameStrategy said:
A center who is neutral to ineffective on defense is not worth keeping at any price, even if he can make the money ball. Utah has other people who can make the 3, and a Kyle Korver-like player (preferably with more convincing defense himself) can be had for that amount.
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synergy says Okur was the 4th best center post-defender in the NBA during the 09-10 season:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1046980&sid=3810ca33fe48fba20c28c15fd9d60112
 
According to this guy Bilal Bayazit (twitter account @bilalbz):

aliaga 95 - turk telekom 79 (mehmet okur 24 pts 10 rebs, u. sonkol 15 pts 15 rebs, ryan toolson 24 pts)
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r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
synergy says Okur was the 4th best center post-defender in the NBA during the 09-10 season:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1046980&sid=3810ca33fe48fba20c28c15fd9d60112
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I tend to believe that as well. Okur isn't as horrible a defender as people would like to believe.
Does anyone remember the Utah vs. Houston series in 2007?? Memo probably defended Yao better than anyone in the league at that time.
And if it wasn't for Okur and Kirikenko's early exit from the Lakers series in the 2010 playoffs, I firmly believe we would've seen a game 7 in that series.
Not to mention he's the only guy (up until that injury), that was on the court almost every night without fail.
Including a 233 game streak in the between '04 and '07 I believe.
I've heard the only one in the NBA that is even close to that is Dirk Nowitski.
The guy loves to play, and it shows.

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TheSilencer1313 said:
Does anyone know anywhere on the web that you can watch these games. I'm sick of no NBA..... thoughly lame.
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nope,its on spormax,paid tv,not on web..i saw the game,24 points,but his team sucks big time,they have no chance in turkish league and euro games
 
aybars said:
nope,its on spormax,paid tv,not on web..i saw the game,24 points,but his team sucks big time,they have no chance in turkish league and euro games
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Well that sucks. I would pay for the channel if I knew where to tune in.
Just looking at the score, I could tell his team sucks.
I wonder why Okur isn't on the main Turkish team though.

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Memo still needs time but from what I have seen in games I had a chance to watch and his stats in Elimination Rounds of Turkish Cup, in which his team Turk Telekom showed that it has 3 high profile bigmen but has absolutely no true PG, and got eliminated. I could not watch the games, my amateur analysis is based on my knowledge about the roster and stats. Here's his performance during 3days-3games group games:

31:10 mins / 19.0 pts / 8.7 rebs / 0.7 ast / 1.0 blk / 2pts: 5.7-9.3 , 61.3% / 3pts: 1.0-3.3 , 30.3% / FTs: 4.7-6.3 , 74.6% /
 
NUMBERICA said:
Okur has always been an atrocious help defender and he's going to be even worse now.
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What's worse that atrocious?

Losing athleticism is huge for a plyer who relies on athleticism. Okur never has. He probably has a better chance to return to near-normal than players who do.
 
One Brow said:
What's worse that atrocious?

Losing athleticism is huge for a plyer who relies on athleticism. Okur never has. He probably has a better chance to return to near-normal than players who do.
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You cannot be serious. Every player relies on athleticism to some degree. You lose some, you lose ability. Period. The ceiling is Lebron Howard, the basement is crippled.

By your argument, Robert Parish could still be playing.
 
For the record, I'm all about keeping Memo for peanuts and have him come off the bench for limited minutes. But his time as a starter playing big minutes are over (and in my contention, should probably never have started. Let's remember he won his ring in such a capacity).
 
NUMBERICA said:
You cannot be serious. Every player relies on athleticism to some degree. You lose some, you lose ability. Period.
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As I took pains to mention, it's a question of how much ability. If a player X has a rating in category A of 80 and in category B of 20, while player Y has scores of 30 and 70, respectively, and then both players lose half of what they had in category A, have they both lost the same amount?
 
One Brow said:
What's worse that atrocious?

Losing athleticism is huge for a plyer who relies on athleticism. Okur never has. He probably has a better chance to return to near-normal than players who do.
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But normal was not good enough for Okur to be a convincing center on both ends of the floor most of the time in the past, except as a clutch shooter and a Yao-killer (but defensively only). Above average offensively; NOT above-average defensively.

Now that he's limped into his 30's, he's still no better than a neutral player to occasional help. Utah needs more than that at the 5, and they have one of the deepest rotations and the PF/C spot that they've had in a long time, even without Okur. With all my gripes about Al (especially regarding his effort/skill on (help) defense), I'd usually want him out there at the C spot over an aging Memo, and I definitely don't want Okur playing if it comes at the expense of not playing Kanter 10 to 15 MPG or Favors 20+ minutes per game (at either post position). Let Kanter come in to finish 1st/3rd quarters and start the first quarter, and let Okur toward the end of halves, with a goal of getting a minimum 10 to 15 MPG--just like EK. Whoever does better gets more time.

Like Numberica, I am amazed that you will use a player's prior liability as justification that a mild worsening of that liability is not much of a big deal.
 
InGameStrategy said:
But normal was not good enough for Okur to be a convincing center on both ends of the floor most of the time in the past, except as a clutch shooter and a Yao-killer (but defensively only). Above average offensively; NOT above-average defensively.

Now that he's limped into his 30's, he's still no better than a neutral player to occasional help. Utah needs more than that at the 5, and they have one of the deepest rotations and the PF/C spot that they've had in a long time, even without Okur. With all my gripes about Al (especially regarding his effort/skill on (help) defense), I'd usually want him out there at the C spot over an aging Memo, and I definitely don't want Okur playing if it comes at the expense of not playing Kanter 10 to 15 MPG or Favors 20+ minutes per game (at either post position). Let Kanter come in to finish 1st/3rd quarters and start the first quarter, and let Okur toward the end of halves, with a goal of getting a minimum 10 to 15 MPG--just like EK. Whoever does better gets more time.

Like Numberica, I am amazed that you will use a player's prior liability as justification that a mild worsening of that liability is not much of a big deal.
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At 10 million upcoming though, what's not to like?
 
InGameStrategy said:
Like Numberica, I am amazed that you will use a player's prior liability as justification that a mild worsening of that liability is not much of a big deal.
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Again, what's worse than atrocious? If he already never closes out on the pick-and-roll and never plugs the lane when shooters drive in, will he suddenly start doing that a negative number of times? Zero (whcih certainly seesm to tbe the claims to you and Numberica) is as low as you can go, here.
 
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