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Met D-Will this weekend.
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Joe Bagadonuts
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KOC is looking more and more like a genius on this deal.
Jazzman_86
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oooops. Deron will sign somewhere in Uzbekistan then)
The Thriller
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I have no doubt that Duron will have some great games in SLC against us.
The problem is, who does Duron have to help him out? the Nets suck. Duron could go for 82 and still lose as I'm confident that Hayward, Harris, Burks, Kanter, Millsap, Jefferson, and Favors can outscore him.
the other positive we have? We no longer have Memo, Booz, AK, and Duron to stand around and not play defense. No longer do we have a point that will lay on the ground on one end of the court yelling at the refs while his man goes coast to coast for a layup.
Folks, Duron wasn't taking us anywhere. We didn't want to be held hostage by an egomaniac. We pulled the trigger and gave ourselves a chance to rebuild for a championship.
No other team in the league would give up Kanter, Favors, Harris, and a future pick for Duron. KOC is a genius, even if this all doesn't translate to a championship. We avoided what would have been a very negative, frustrating, and ultimately, long term rebuilding project with a huge prick.
Lets not get too carried away. I realize that Deron has been a prick and all that but that doesnt mean there are no teams out there that want to contend and win NOW and are just a good PG short, who wouldnt give up future picks, even if good ones, for Deron. For all their potential Favors and Kanter still have a lot of questions to answer. They are'nt quite a sure thing-like say, a Durant or Lebron or a John Wall coming into the draft. They can end up being great or end up being just serviceable starters at best. A team that wants to win now and needs a good PG to get the job done can do the above trade. Whereas for us, this trade wont make sense, as we need all the draft picks we can get, and not Deron.
Do you really expect us to get a LeBron/Durant/Wall type of player out of picks from a team who is just a player away from being a championship contending team? We could not have landed a better haul than what we got, especially on such short notice. KOC deserves a gold star for this one. Anytime you trade for players with potential or picks there's going to be a lot of questions to answer, so getting back-to-back #3 picks, another potential lottery pick, and a more than serviceable point guard in the process is the ABSOLUTE best we could have asked for.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Fortunately for us the Nets were just a point guard away from the championship and it made perfect sense for them to mortgage their future to acquire one. Oh, wait... the Nets aren't contenders? They were a lottery team before and after the trade. What in the hell were they thinking?
Jazz4ever
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Marketability. The Nets are moving to Brooklyn and don't want to be a side show to the Knicks. They're not going to sell many season tickets with Brook Lopez as the face of their team. Deron can do that for them, as well as give them a shot at getting Dwight Howard. Only time will tell on this trade.
Stifle Tower
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Exactly. The Knicks trading for Carmelo made a blockbuster trade for NJ almost essential. The Nets have some decent talent. A healthy DWIll, along with the continued progression of Lopez (and even Humphries) gets them to almost .500. Prokhorov isn't willing to wait to build a winner. The Nest will go after big-name FA's. If DWill remains and that results in the Nets being able to attract another star player, then it was a good deal for them.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Bottom line is that the stars really aligned for Utah, and to their credit, they took full advantage. With Derron's bad attitude plus an injury and the looming lockout uncertainties it was a miracle that KOC could leverage the Nets for so much. Genius move on the Jazz's part! KOC is looking like a fantastic negotiator... especially if reports are correct that Gayle Miller demanded that DWill be traded no matter what.
green
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With the way the NBA was set up, the best way to win a title is not through the draft. The best way to win a title is to get in a big market, and then go way over the luxury tax paying for superstars. The Nets have their market, Brooklyn, and they needed their superstar to lure others to NY. They tried to get LeBron, Boozer, Bosh, etc and failed. No one wants to be the first person to sign up, in case they get burned. So, they traded away their future for Deron. It doesn't matter anyways, because they never planned to use those picks. They want Howard and someone else to join Deron in NY.
They would have still done it for sure. Dwill gives them a franchise building block and somebody who could attract a big time FA, along with their soon to be prime location.
Thanks, that saved me some typing.
I was responding to those here who think that it is outrageous that ANY team would trade away a couple of lotto picks and a middling point guard for Deron.
Well the Nets are an example of a team, who is not even a contender anytime soon, and can still find enough reason to trade for a player like D-Will.
This doesnt mean the Jazz made a bad move. This trade makes a lot of sense for the Jazz. But what I disagree with, is the notion that a GM has to be stupid or naive to give up all that for Deron.
And they knew who would be in the draft (or not, rather)? Absolutely.
Let's hold off on the KOC is genius talk for a couple of years and see how each team pans out.
Damn right.
Also to those who think KOC is Einstein already, I wonder where he was these past two years when the Jazz needed some good pieces around Deron to keep him from getting frustrated or picking fights with his coach. KOC is good at managing crisis situations, I'll give that to him. He can salvage somthing out of a bad situation, be it the Korver trade after the Giricek-Sloan feud or Al's trade after Boozer's departure. But I wouldnt call him a genius yet. We persisted with a flawed core for 4 years watching them regress slowly, resulting eventually in the departure of a HOF coach and a franchise/all-star/Olympian PG. I wouldnt call that the work of a genius
Also to those who think KOC is Einstein already, I wonder where he was these past two years when the Jazz needed some good pieces around Deron to keep him from getting frustrated or picking fights with his coach. KOC is good at managing crisis situations, I'll give that to him. He can salvage somthing out of a bad situation, be it the Korver trade after the Giricek-Sloan feud or Al's trade after Boozer's departure. But I wouldnt call him a genius yet. We persisted with a flawed core for 4 years watching them regress slowly, resulting eventually in the departure of a HOF coach and a franchise/all-star/Olympian PG. I wouldnt call that the work of a genius
Stifle Tower
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I don't put much stock in the Gayle "rumors." The Jazz were certainly looking to trade Deron, but it could have been during the next season. In fact, KOC said after the trade that he actually called NJ about another player and he was told the Nets had no interest (I'm presuming KOC offered AK and his expiring contract). KOC then asked King if he was interested in any other Jazz player and King took the bait. The deal was easy to consummate at that point because they had already offered a similar package for Carmelo.
To answer Colton's question, I think NJ would have gone ahead with the deal even had it been the #1 pick. The Nets needed star power. They already have a good young center in Lopez and Deron is certainly >>>> Irving. So would they have chosen Derrick Williams? Whichever player they chose at #3, combining him with Harris, Lopez and a raw Favors wasn't going to attract FA's or sell tickets. However, Deron might. Giving up Favors may turn out to be a huge mistake. I know Humphries had a good year, but I just don't see him ever being a top-tier starter. And the two additional lottery picks could have helped. A major gamble for NJ.