Middle East

[Stoked]

For example Turkish government followed direct orders from the USA. So did Saudi Arabia.

I pick Mossad and CIA and their Great Middle East Project for this mess. Actions have consequences.

So the CIA and Mossad are to blame while groups like Hamas and Iran are innocent int his matter? Very interesting. Close minded and blind (in my opinion) but interesting.

 

[jazzyapma]

So the CIA and Mossad are to blame while groups like Hamas and Iran are innocent int his matter? Very interesting. Close minded and blind (in my opinion) but interesting.

So, after centuries, you come back to Jerusalem and establish a government and found Israel. By force, you banish people who live on the soil out, if not, kill them. Can you explain me, why Hamas is guilty, if they don't want to leave their soil?

 

[Stoked]

So, after centuries, you come back to Jerusalem and organize a government and found Israel. By force, you banish people who live on the soil out, if not, kill them. Can you explain me, why Hamas is guilty, if they don't want to leave their soil?

For the same reason Israel is. Hamas is killing civilians and has no regard for Jewish life. You can sugar coat it all you want but the Palestinians are lead by a group that only wants to kill Israelis. Hamas has not intention of every finding a solution other than destroying Israel completely. That is wrong. Period.

I am not saying Israel is a saint. There are many thigns they could do if they truly wanted peace as well.

I think that both sides truly have no interest in peaceful co-existence. At least Hamas is truthful about it.

 

[jazzyapma]

For the same reason Israel is. Hamas is killing civilians and has no regard for Jewish life. You can sugar coat it all you want but the Palestinians are lead by a group that only wants to kill Israelis. Hamas has not intention of every finding a solution other than destroying Israel completely. That is wrong. Period.

I am not saying Israel is a saint. There are many thigns they could do if they truly wanted peace as well.

I think that both sides truly have no interest in peaceful co-existence. At least Hamas is truthful about it.

^^^^^This.

 

[Stoked]

^^^^^This.

Like I said, Israel is not blameless in this. However I cannot condone Hamas or its stance. As long as Palestine is lead by Hamas then they will never get anywhere. They are their own worst enemy. Hamas does not deserve a country to rule. The palestinians deserve a country of their own but not Hamas. To bad they have become one and the same in so many cases.

 

[Scat]

I wonder what everyone thinks about the contention that Palestinians do not exist other than a reason to create a wedge between Israel and the Arab world?

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan. ~~ Zahir Muhsein, PLO executive committee member, March 31, 1977

https://www.wnd.com/2000/10/1696/

Isn’t it interesting that prior to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, there was no serious movement for a Palestinian homeland?

The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.

Palestine has never existed — before or since — as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

Discuss.

 

[Stoked]

Well Scat, wether it has existed or not I think that the group of peopel now called Palestinians deserve a country of their own. No one else wants them and they should have a land of their own. The lands have already been decided. All that needs to be done is overcome centuries of idiotically blind hatred on both sides.

 

[Scat]

Well Scat, wether it has existed or not I think that the group of peopel now called Palestinians deserve a country of their own. No one else wants them and they should have a land of their own. The lands have already been decided. All that needs to be done is overcome centuries of idiotically blind hatred on both sides.

However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.

Would not this make Jordan the de facto homeland of Palestinians?

 

[Stoked]

Would not this make Jordan the de facto homeland of Palestinians?

Well if Jordan and the Palestinians wanted to unit they shoudl and I would be inclined to agree with you on this.

I am not going to make that assumption, even thjough it may be right, based on one guys wishes.

 

[DutchJazzer]

5 lies the media keeps repeating

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar...s-re_b_2160239.html?utm_hp_ref=media&ir=Media

Anyone following the facts will clearly see that the Palestinians are acting in self defense against the genocide.

It is amazing how the simple minded are so easily manipulated.

Also this speaks for itself:

why is your map only from 1946.
before 1946 there where no jews and palestians?
what about 200 years ago?
400?
1000?

 

[addictionary]

1946 refers to the time of the end of ww2 dutch. it's important since this war has been a holocaust on the jewish people. it symbolizes the rise of the zionism notion that existed before and came to life after that.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Here is a song about the Palestine-Israel conflict.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtUZFSRtWHU

They show many clips in this including a group of 4 Israeli soldiers beating up a child.

 

[Stoked]

Numerous reports are starting to come out that Hamas is fakign deaths by civilians. The reports claim they are using photos from other conflicts such as Syria and carryign people out who appear dead but are fine as they are seen in other pics or videos minutes later.

Thoughts?

 

[Gameface]

Numerous reports are starting to come out that Hamas is fakign deaths by civilians. The reports claim they are using photos from other conflicts such as Syria and carryign people out who appear dead but are fine as they are seen in other pics or videos minutes later.

Thoughts?

I think they also use neighborhoods to launch attacks in attempt to use the presence of their own women and children as shields, but they're also perfectly happy if the Israelis retaliate against the attack and kill women and children because it gives them an opportunity to cry about how Israel kills women and children. While at the same time their own attacks are targeted directly at Israeli women and children and they don't care so that fact can't be used against them. I think Israel hesitates to attack legitimate targets that are hidden amongst women and children on purpose by the Palestinian hostiles.

Since they think they have an ace in the hole when their women and children become the casualties of their own impotent attempts to hurt Israel I wouldn't be surprised if they just made them up when they weren't able to bait Israel into attacking them when they hide behind women and children.

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Numerous reports are starting to come out that Hamas is fakign deaths by civilians. The reports claim they are using photos from other conflicts such as Syria and carryign people out who appear dead but are fine as they are seen in other pics or videos minutes later.

Thoughts?

Isn't that their whole game plan essentially? Agitate by lobbing some rockets into Isreal that you know can only do relatively little damage, retaliation from Israel, and then goes the media campaign to drub up some sympathy? That's all they've got. Media manipulation to their advantage is certainly smart from their standpoint. That is, until you see pictures of them dragging bodies behind their crappy motorbikes....then they are back to being portrayed as savages.

Body counts are always iffy though. In Syria, it's always like....there have been 35,000 deaths according to some 5 man human rights operation based in London. Oh yeah? I think I'll just disregard that number then.

 

[DutchJazzer]

1946 refers to the time of the end of ww2 dutch. it's important since this war has been a holocaust on the jewish people. it symbolizes the rise of the zionism notion that existed before and came to life after that.

i know ****************

but what i'm saying is why start with 1946.
jews have been living there for centuries.
so have some arabs.

it is jsut shortsighted to use 1946

 

[DutchJazzer]

1946 refers to the time of the end of ww2 dutch. it's important since this war has been a holocaust on the jewish people. it symbolizes the rise of the zionism notion that existed before and came to life after that.

what i was saying is they conviently chose to forget everything before 1946.
was the wailing wall built after 1946?
what all the other jewish buildings built after 1946?

 

[addictionary]

what i was saying is they conviently chose to forget everything before 1946.
was the wailing wall built after 1946?
what all the other jewish buildings built after 1946?

well, after sharing war 2, the united nations promised the promised lands to the jews and when they went there with their couches and pillows and stuff, they have found out that arabs have already settled in the place. they kicked them out and that made bigger arabs angry, they gathered to kick israeli ace but instead have their own kicked. so here we are now. if israeli was not found, ww 2 would have an effect of sympathy that all the world would feel over the jews. but jews are a different kinda people. they have their own religion, own race and even own language! (I know about african jews who believe his excellency Moses was black. let's not get there) so when they form a nation on that notion, it's kinda unacceptable to the long time dwellers.

BUT

the main reason that this conflict will never end is the states/governments interests themselves. no people would enjoy killing each other for that long, believe me.

 

[DutchJazzer]

well, after sharing war 2, the united nations promised the promised lands to the jews and when they went there with their couches and pillows and stuff, they have found out that arabs have already settled in the place. they kicked them out and that made bigger arabs angry, they gathered to kick israeli ace but instead have their own kicked. so here we are now. if israeli was not found, ww 2 would have an effect of sympathy that all the world would feel over the jews. but jews are a different kinda people. they have their own religion, own race and even own language! (I know about african jews who believe his excellency Moses was black. let's not get there) so when they form a nation on that notion, it's kinda unacceptable to the long time dwellers.

BUT

the main reason that this conflict will never end is the states/governments interests themselves. no people would enjoy killing each other for that long, believe me.

I'm a practicing jew. so you dont have to tell me

 

[franklin]

well, after sharing war 2, the united nations promised the promised lands to the jews and when they went there with their couches and pillows and stuff, they have found out that arabs have already settled in the place. they kicked them out and that made bigger arabs angry, they gathered to kick israeli ace but instead have their own kicked. so here we are now. if israeli was not found, ww 2 would have an effect of sympathy that all the world would feel over the jews. but jews are a different kinda people. they have their own religion, own race and even own language! (I know about african jews who believe his excellency Moses was black. let's not get there) so when they form a nation on that notion, it's kinda unacceptable to the long time dwellers.

BUT

the main reason that this conflict will never end is the states/governments interests themselves. no people would enjoy killing each other for that long, believe me.

Very interesting addition. Where are you from/beliefs again?