why? a power vacuum is better from my pov than another dictator in that region.
So you'd rather watch him reintroduce death sentence, imprison more ppl for speaking their mind(Currently nearly half the journalists have pending trials for reporting on topics in a way that wasn't clearly in favor of Erdogan), maybe attempt to change the constitution and become president for lifetime with the option to pass that title to a family member?
That dude is as crooked as they come.
My favorite would be separation of the Western regions where Erdogan's party lacks support.
Yes. The people elected him, and they can elect someone else if they don't like him.
That's when a coup becomes the lesser of two evils. Since this hasn't happened, and hasn't been attempted, the discussion is moot. I'd rather not entrust a nation to its military, and hope they'll gracefully hand it back to the people. They usually don't. See what happened in Egypt. How did that turn out? And my family members also expressed the same sentiment. "But Morsi is a dictator!".
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this is honestly so ridiculous. There is nothing more enlightening to how the American military minds work, than seeing their comments as news of this coup attempt surfaced. Since WHEN is the military overthrowing a democracy something that should be cheered on....?!?! Why the **** do you think Turkish people (who HATE Erdogan) were lying down in front of tanks!
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Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Libya... The list goes on and on...
I honestly can't think of a single case where a coup actually brought on positive results.
Can anyone point to where a coup triggered the desired result? I can't.
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America (but that was a different world, and I don't disagree with your point)
Yeah, but what if they are overthrowing an elected official who changed courses dramatically from his running platform? Wouldn't a coup be justified then?
I guess I think of coups, rebellions and revolutions as different things.
I think of a coup as a group within an established nation attempting to seize control quickly.
A rebellion is when part of a nation breaks off and goes to war with the the parent nation.
Revolution is a term used by rebels to make what they're doing sound better.
I think of a coup as a group within an established nation attempting to seize control quickly.
A rebellion is when part of a nation breaks off and goes to war with the the parent nation.
Revolution is a term used by rebels to make what they're doing sound better.
The Turks have eventually given back sovereignty to the ppl after most their coups. So that would be a way to evaluate potential Turkish coups instead of comparing it with countries that are more religious. First military statements even were that they were concerned about secularism which I completely share, as Erdogan is trying to move up the ladder and gain more rights.
The coup in thailand that happened 2 years ago that led to the current military government I can honestly say is a successful and a positive one. They have successfully uprooted some deep rooted and engrained corrupted systems and officials/policemen/comnected well off elites and for the most part has brought about a peaceful and joyous 2 years for the people there.
The world as a whole has frown upon the coup at the time and even now.. but unless you are the actual people living there you don't know what it's really like in the old days vs now. Granted it's not entirely democratic but it has worked.
So why did the democratic system fail? Because the Party that always get voted in knows how to pursuade the under priviledged and the under educated living in rural areas that accounts for 70-80% compared to the 20-30% of the better off well educated people living in the main cities (there are 70+ million people in thailand only 10-20 million of which I would say are well off and educated). The popular Party is owned by one of the richest man in the world afterall... and vote buying is the norm.
So yes sometime the democratic process still fail in many parts of the world sadly....
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ok there's one. Any others?
To my knowledge, most coup's end up worsening the situation. Not helping.
The Thriller
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I wouldn't consider the American Revolution a coup.
Hell, one of the problems Washington had was getting the Continental Congress to authorize payments and supplies for the forming and training of a continental army.
It's my understanding that a coup is a quick overthrow of a government usually involving a general or series of generals.
That doesn't describe the American Revolution at all. For years there was propaganda and threats of independence.
The Boston Massacre was 6 years before the Dec of Ind. the Boston Tea Act was a full 3 years before the Dec of Ind was drafted.
You teach kids stuff?
So apparently there is a Turkish cleric in the US that was granted asylum some years ago. Erdogan blames him and wants the US to turn him over. Demands actually. They have closed the airspace to the Incirlik (spelling) airbase that the US uses for air strikes into Syria. They also turned off the power and will not allow any American forces in or out. We have about 1,500 at that location and 2,200 in Turkey overall.
Will be very interesting and concerning to see this play out.
Also Germany and Turkey are pissed at each other as well and have a similar situation with Germany ready to pull their forces after being denied access to them.
Will be very interesting and concerning to see this play out.
Also Germany and Turkey are pissed at each other as well and have a similar situation with Germany ready to pull their forces after being denied access to them.
The Thriller
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It appears that I'm teaching a lot here on jazzfanz. So yes?
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Revolution is the end part of rebellion. At that phase, you ultimately change the the structure of whether regime, social structure, government or something else that is essential to the lives of the people.
Rebellion is the action of rising up against the oppressor, while revolution is something that carries on for years, sometimes decades to see if the results are the way you want. Because a social structure of a society does not change too easily.
So... as a Turkish, would you have preferred the coup to have been successful or are you happier now that Erdogan has the country back?