Minus the occasional elite level defense.
Millsap, Favors and Jefferson
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Minus the occasional elite level defense.
This.
Give me a list of people that have dominated Millsap this year. And try to stray from from stars that get their averages (despite him pretty soundly handling or drubbing Gasol, Griffin, and Love).
If playing in the paint was all about being BIG and LONG, then Jeremy Evans would be able to get on the court.
Jason Thompson destroyed him in Sacramento. Aldridge was destroying him. He seems to do worse against average players, because he seems to give much less effort. When he goes against Love and Griffin, he brings his A+ game.
gregbroncs
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The last time they played against LAC Griffin was killing him for a good stretch. They only slowed him down by putting Favors on him.
Without even looking it up.
Jason thompson
Blake Griffin
Lemarcus Aldridge
Carlos Boozer
Channing Frye (though not in the post)
Struggled with Faried as well. Though I would not call that being dominated only because Denver just did not go through him.
Convieniently for your argument there are not that many post up PF's anymore. Most of the best post up players in the league actually play C and are guarded by Jefferson. So I gave my list. What list do you have for players that he has dominated defensively in the post that are post players? I can't think of anybody but one time against Griffin. Love is not really a post player either.
Without even looking it up.
Jason thompson
Blake Griffin
Lemarcus Aldridge
Carlos Boozer
Channing Frye (though not in the post)
Struggled with Faried as well. Though I would not call that being dominated only because Denver just did not go through him.
Convieniently for your argument there are not that many post up PF's anymore. Most of the best post up players in the league actually play C and are guarded by Jefferson. So I gave my list. What list do you have for players that he has dominated defensively in the post that are post players? I can't think of anybody but one time against Griffin. Love is not really a post player either.
Love is a pretty good post player. He goes to the line 9 times per game mostly from drawing fouls down low.
Brown Notes
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Sap had really impressive games against Pau and Blake. When he's able to body them up and poke at the ball without getting a bunch of early fouls he's very effective. When the refs are against him not so much.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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With Millsaps physical liabilities I say he is best coming off the bench. Too small to guard elite pf's to slow to guards elite sf's.
Why is it that the narrative with Millsap is because someone just has a good game, it's because it's Millsap's fault because he's too small. It's Millsap's fault the Jazz want their PFs to let stretch 4s go ape-****? What does that have to do with his size, or him at all? Why are we not pissing ourselves about Kanter or Favors inability to guard the post because stretch 4s have a good game?
Millsap's too small to guard Kenneth Faried in the post? What?
Carlos Boozer was hitting everything he shot. If you think that's Millsap's fault, then I have a bridge to sell you. Also, they were mostly jumpshots. Too bad Millsap's too small so he just GETS ABUSED. Incessantly.
He hasn't played well against Thompson. Not a post issue.
He hasn't played particularly well against Aldridge.
Blake Griffin is Blake ****ing Griffin. Millsap also caused him to have one of his worst games of the year. So we can call that a wash. Or I can use that as evidence for me. Not really a post issue, either.
Why is it convenient for me to bring up Kevin Love and not convenient of you to change the argument?
Kevin Love
Pau Gasol (OMG he's SO BIG)
Blake Griffin
A lot more that don't particularly don't strengthen my argument. He wins most matchups, and on both sides of court. He also has actually tougher players to guard than Jefferson who guards a position that is pretty bereft of offensive talent (who is the toughest player he has to guard? Dwight Howard? Tim Duncan for 20 minutes? Andrew Bynum? Pau Gasol at times? Kevin Garnett? OOPS).
Millsap's given one of the toughest matchups on the court with regularity, and the narrative continues that Millsap shows he's outmatched. He's not. He doesn't have a great physical profile for what he's asked to do, but he's figured out a way to do it better and better. Maybe he's easier to shoot OVER, but he doesn't give position and he is an absolute pest to anyone that holds the ball.
Jazz fans are such prima donnas when it comes to PF play. Millsap is a good defender. He shouldn't be as good as he is, and he shouldn't be dogged on because of unfair perceptions and expectations. It's so insane that with time and with constant improvement, Jazz fans seem to grow in their discontent with him. It's absurd. I enjoyed watching the reveille of our fan base at Millsap being benched for Favors, only to see Millsap forcing his way into the starting lineup again out of nothing but pure ***-kicking and everyone shut up for a minute.
I would say Millsap is a good, but inconsistent defender. There are days when he looks locked in on his man, others when he just seems to be out of it.
gregbroncs
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When did I ever mention his size? My point is that Millsap is not a great post defender. Average at best and probably below average. I don't care about his size. He has stuggled defending post players on numerous occasions this season.
Thompson absolutely abused Millsap IN THE POST. So did Blake Griffin in their last matchup. Your argument is that Millsap had great defensive games against some of the best PF's in the game. And you are right he did. But what is the reason for getting lit up against some of the lesser PF's and getting totally owned by Thompson, Aldrige and in the 3rd quarter against the Clippers by Blake?
Again, never once did I mention his size. My position is that overall Millsap is a below average defender in the post.
I have never stopped with the Favors should play over Millsap. Because Favors should play over Millsap. He is simply a much better overall defender and a much better post defender. While not as good offensively as Millsap it is on the offensive end that our bench needs help.
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He dominated several of those "elite" PFs this year.
JohnnyClutch
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That's a ridiculous statement. He's very quick. He can stay with any small forward not named James, and he's got the strength to slow him down.
We forget that defense is just one side of the coin. He would ABUSE any small forward trying to guard him down low.
Make it so Corbin!
NAOS
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you might then say that player X is only inconsistent relative to my standards of consistency. You might then call me a **** for demonstrating my knowledge thusly. However, if you call me a **** with enough force, I will report your post to the feds and continue demonstrating my knowledge endlessly.
NAOS
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oh yeah, milsap2short4balzlolz! kbye.
You still mad?
NAOS
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what are you talking about?
Passive aggressive anger at its finest. Bravo.