Millsap for 6th man of the year!
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Stifle Tower
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Yes, but Favors prefers the PF spot. If we keep all 4, I'd rather see Jefferson and Favors start next season with Millsap coming off the bench.
What really concerns me is the lack of offense if/when the Jazz have Kanter and Favors playing together. I think right now you need to always pair one of those two with a scorer like Millsap and Jefferson.
I actually agree with this. I know its a small sample size, but Favors best stats are when hes a starting center. I have to think that has a little to do with how much but Paul spaces the floor instead of Al camping in the paint with Favors sort of in no mans land.
Also. not saying it didn't happen, but does anyone have the link to where Favors said he didn't want to play center? Only place I've heard it is here.
Here's how Corbin could convince Millsap:
"Hey guys (talking to his team) here's the starting line-up... Millsap, you're coming off the bench."
Xsy
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I think it might just be offseason delusion, but I thought of a lineup of something like
Williams/Tinsley
Burks/Murphy
Williams/Hayward
Favors/Millsap
Jefferson/Kanter
Jefferson and Burks being our 1-2 options in the starting lineup. Millsap and Hayward as our 1-2 options off the bench.
Doesn't make a lot of sense but I wanna see it anyway.
Williams/Tinsley
Burks/Murphy
Williams/Hayward
Favors/Millsap
Jefferson/Kanter
Jefferson and Burks being our 1-2 options in the starting lineup. Millsap and Hayward as our 1-2 options off the bench.
Doesn't make a lot of sense but I wanna see it anyway.
I don't know if Favors actually 'prefers' the PF spot...
He was quoted as saying he'd want to model his game around Stoudemire. But Stoudemire actually played his best ball playing a small C in that Phoenix team - he basically uses his quickness and explosiveness to abuse other team's C.
Stoudemire is actually struggling right now with Chandler, as he has to run around PF's and stretch 4's.
I'd actually prefer Favors playing 'between the lines' - blocking shots & putting back dunks & alley hooping.
Weezur
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Pretty sure Al should be the one coming off the bench. Al would probably be more effective off the bench IMO.
I feel that if Al is starting, teams will pound our only defensive weakness of Al and our OK defense of Mo Williams, making the superb defensive lineup of Favors, Hayward, and Marvin seem less scary.
At least it's a good thing that there aren't many great centers in the league nowadays.
I feel that if Al is starting, teams will pound our only defensive weakness of Al and our OK defense of Mo Williams, making the superb defensive lineup of Favors, Hayward, and Marvin seem less scary.
At least it's a good thing that there aren't many great centers in the league nowadays.
Problem with Al coming off the bench is that means Al/Kanter would get a lot of playing time together. I just don't see how that low post duo would work.
billyshelby
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That's a problem. But personally I want to see Favors/Kanter get more time together.
green
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It's the same problem you have playing Al with Favors. Another reason why Al should be coming off the bench.
It would be interesting for the Jazz to even have someone in contention for sixth man of the year. It really feels like production Jazz bench has generally been a collective effort with nobody standing out too much individually.
Xsy
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A lot of good teams (Spurs, Thunder) have a great third player coming off the bench to be a main scoring option. I want Hayward to be that guy for Utah. I hate him as the third scoring option behind Jefferson and Millsap. The one game last season that he got to be the main scoring option off the bench, he did great.
Favors needs starter minutes. Millsap is an amazingly talented player, but he's still undersized. He's figured out how to score with his size, but there's not much he can do on the defensive end against bigger talent.
Its a hypothetical situation. I'm still hoping Jefferson gets traded so we can start Favors at the 5 with Millsap at the 4.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Can you say the same about Manu who is being paid $14M? He doesn't start. It's not unusual for teams to have a token 5th starter, then bring in their 6th man who gets "starter minutes." Millsap would still get the same amount of minutes as he does now (once Jefferson is gone). Ideally, I'd like to see Favors and Millsap get 30-35 each, with Kanter getting 20-25. A lot of that depends on Kanter and Favors being able to stay out of foul trouble and be effective for that amount of time; neither has proved he can yet. Then you have a 4th big or even a combo forward playing the remaining 10-15 mins.
We'd have a pretty good bench featuring Millsap - and assuming Marvim Williams starts - either Burks or Hayward. What I really want to see happen is that the concept of a second "unit" disappears. I absolutely HATED when Sloan would have 5 subs on the court. Most teams do NOT operate that way. Teams need 8-9 rotation players. For Utah, that would be 3 bigs, 3 wings, 2 PG's and a limited-mins big. Some of that could change if Burks develops into a PG. Then maybe you have Williams, Burks and Hayward at the 1/2 and you add a combo forward to split time with Marvin and play 10 mins at PF.
Point is, you have 5 starters to begin and end each half. And then you ALWAYS have 2-3 starters on the court as you rotate in subs at various times. You don't need to have 5 bench players to start the 2nd and 4th quarters.
Excellent post.
shadler
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True that a lot of teams are like that but the jazz have to be careful of that 70 mil mark and they have a lot of of other players that are going to command money as well. Who knows how Williams plays out as well and if he is going to want more money. I just don't want the jazz to make sap their main focal point on the team like we did in the past with undersized pf and then we all complain at getting longer. If the jazz could pull it off and have sap as a 6th man without loosing out on our young growth as a team I would be all for it. My own opinion is that Jazz should trade both sap and Al for younger talent that has potential but not sure who is out there. Keep in mind of how many double teams sap is going to command once Al is gone and he seemed to fade out when teams doubled him. But you are right on needed that energy player off the bench and most teams that are good do have that. I would be all for sap coming off the bench as long as it doesn't effect our growth.