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Core4 said:
Maybe, maybe not. I'm sure Lindsey evaluated which teams are facing the tax. For the most part it's teams like Brooklyn and the Lakers, i.e. contenders and teams that are willing to pay the tax. Besides, their picks would be even worse than the ones GS is giving us. And those teams don't really have other assets to trade. The genius of Lindsey's move is he got ALL expiring contracts. And none that will really impact the playing time of our young core. This was a beautiful trade.
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I understand the bird in the hand is worth two in the bush argument. Knowing that we get two picks is reassuring to some, not me. Other teams, beside tax paying teams, will make moves over the next year that create opportunities for teams with cap space. We had some when the day began, not so much now.
 
oldtimer said:
signing one of those players by themselves would not be the difference between making the 8th seed and being in the lottery. I think our young guys are good enough to compete for the playoffs. I don't think they make it, but I have a lot of faith in our your guys.
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Compare the Jazz starters to Portland's team last year. What was Portland's record? Our young guys MAY step up and have a great season. But our worst-in-the-NBA bench is going to give back any leads and then some! Sign vets like Asik, Mayo, etc or bring back Mo, Randy...you're derailing the process. Jazz need to lose and lose and lose. It is the only way Utah is going to add an all-star quality player to the team. .
 
This oldtimer guy is my new least favorite poster on here. Not because he isn't smart, but because he's irritating.

Go back to KSL and RTing Bill Oram.
 
oldtimer said:
I understand the bird in the hand is worth two in the bush argument. Knowing that we get two picks is reassuring to some, not me. Other teams, beside tax paying teams, will make moves over the next year that create opportunities for teams with cap space. We had some when the day began, not so much now.
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The Jazz will have the cap space again next year though, and with the big FA list next year, it is likely that teams once again will be trying to make cap room.
 
Core4 said:
Compare the Jazz starters to Portland's team last year. What was Portland's record? Our young guys MAY step up and have a great season. But our worst-in-the-NBA bench is going to give back any leads and then some! Sign vets like Asik, Mayo, etc or bring back Mo, Randy...you're derailing the process. Jazz need to lose and lose and lose. It is the only way Utah is going to add an all-star quality player to the team. .
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As usual core 4 I agree with almost everything you say, but couldn't we save our cap space and still play the young guys. Why do we have to give away 24 million dollars in space for three crappy players and two midland draft picks.
 
oldtimer said:
I understand the bird in the hand is worth two in the bush argument. Knowing that we get two picks is reassuring to some, not me. Other teams, beside tax paying teams, will make moves over the next year that create opportunities for teams with cap space. We had some when the day began, not so much now.
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We still have $31M in expiring contracts to trade. Those extra picks can go both ways. What if a Harden-like situation comes up? We can step in, offer an expiring pick and GS' #1. Or wE can package picks to get a starter like we did to get Jefferson. And if nothing presents itself at the deadline? Well, we have a ton of cap space to do some summertime shopping.
 
theonlyone said:
The Jazz will have the cap space again next year though, and with the big FA list next year, it is likely that teams once again will be trying to make cap room.
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I agree and have said that is the only saving grace of the trade. We get back our cap space in a year.
 
oldtimer said:
Time will tell if I am smart or unreasonable. You cant convince me that getting rid of our valuable cap space for a year is worth 2 picks in the mid 2Os.
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You can't guarantee both those picks will be in the 20's. GS was a fringe playoff team. They haven't gotten better. Dallas, Minnesota, Houston and LA all got better. Portland as well. You will have four teams fighting for the last two playoff spots (Dallas, Minnesota, Portland, Golden State). If Curry goes down, they are out. How's Curry going to respond when he realizes he almost had Dwight, but now because of AI, they are nothing more than a 7-9 seed in the west, and their best chance of improving was sent to Utah?

You are acting like GS is now a top 4 team in the West. Not even close. The Lakers are closer to top 4 than GS.
 
oldtimer said:
As usual core 4 I agree with almost everything you say, but couldn't we save our cap space and still play the young guys. Why do we have to give away 24 million dollars in space for three crappy players and two midland draft picks.
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We were going to have to spend some money anyway to get to the salary floor, right? Might as well get these guys to get to that floor while also getting picks. I don't understand your logic here. We were spending money either way. Why not take these expiring contracts back and get some picks in the process?
 
oldtimer said:
I agree and have said that is the only saving grace of the trade. We get back our cap space in a year.
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If you really think that, you're simply being dense.

All that has changed in this CBA is that the tax is more punitive. All the teams over the tax number right now are teams that are absolutely willing to spend it, and most don't even have assets of this quality available.

I don't know what you expect to get for cap space, but unless you want more seasons like the last 2 this is BY FAR the best type of move that we could have made.
 
oldtimer said:
As usual core 4 I agree with almost everything you say, but couldn't we save our cap space and still play the young guys. Why do we have to give away 24 million dollars in space for three crappy players and two midland draft picks.
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That was my first reaction, too. I was kind of excited to see what we could do at the deadline. But nothing is guaranteed. Seems the FO can do no right. If Lindsey/KOC let the deadline come and go without making a trade, Jazzland would explode. Had Lindsey traded for 3 crappy players with 2-3 years left on their contracts, I'd think differently, But we got 4 picks, I believe (2 firsts and 2 seconds). And we still get to offer expirings at the deadline and straight cap space again next summer.
 
Core4 said:
We still have $31M in expiring contracts to trade. Those extra picks can go both ways. What if a Harden-like situation comes up? We crean step in, offer an expiring pick and GS' #1. Or wE can package picks to get a starter like we did to get Jefferson. And if nothing presents itself at the deadline? Well, we have a ton of cap space to do some summertime shopping.
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I guess I get caught up a little in how crappy the players we got today truly are and didn't really break them down into expiring contracts. If some team doesn't care who the players are and just focus on the expiring deals--they may be future trade assets. I'd still rather have the cap space than expiring contracts that a team may or may not want. However, I do get the point that while these three players are truly bad, they may be valuable to someone in the form of expiring contracts. On a scale I would rather have cap space, but I will try to consider these crappy players as expiring contracts that may have value down the road.
 
oldtimer said:
I guess I get caught up a little in how crappy the players we got today truly are and didn't really break them down into expiring contracts. If some team doesn't care who the players are and just focus on the expiring deals--they may be future trade assets. I'd still rather have the cap space than expiring contracts that a team may or may not want. However, I do get the point that while these three players are truly bad, they may be valuable to someone in the form of expiring contracts. On a scale I would rather have cap space, but I will try to consider these crappy players as expiring contracts that may have value down the road.
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I actually like Rush. He's a serviceable guy off the bench if he is healthy.
 
green said:
You can't guarantee both those picks will be in the 20's. GS was a fringe playoff team. They haven't gotten better. Dallas, Minnesota, Houston and LA all got better. Portland as well. You will have four teams fighting for the last two playoff spots (Dallas, Minnesota, Portland, Golden State). If Curry goes down, they are out. How's Curry going to respond when he realizes he almost had Dwight, but now because of AI, they are nothing more than a 7-9 seed in the west, and their best chance of improving was sent to Utah?

You are acting like GS is now a top 4 team in the West. Not even close. The Lakers are closer to top 4 than GS.
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I think GS got much better today. Time will tell which one of us is right on that issue
 
Who cares if you like Rush. He's a FA after this year and will be gone next offseason anyway while we keep tanking
 
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