Mixed Martial Arts / UFC

[DutchJazzer]

 

[DutchJazzer]

seems like they hired me to do spellchecking

 

[VINYLONE]

both top 5 losses.
and also note it was in the smaller cage. which statistically give you more finishes

No, definitely. I get it but he didn't look good in either fight.

Also, I found the smaller ring size surprising. Do you know why it was used?

 

[DutchJazzer]

No, definitely. I get it but he didn't look good in either fight.

Also, I found the smaller ring size surprising. Do you know why it was used?

they use it in smaller venue non champion matches. there seems to be no other logic when using smaller cage.
statistaclly smaller cage has more finishes(forgot the numbers)
but it is a disadvantage for certain fighters. definitely for machida. i think this fight would be a differant fight in a regular cage.
also this was a quick turnaround for machida, so that might have factored in it now that he is up there in age.

the luke rockhold fight he looked bad for no apparant reason.

i got excuses for the romoro fight but not for rockhold.
maybe its just his time. maybe he is done ala koscheck and henderson who just keep racking up loses.

hendo always has a punchers chance cus of his H-bomb.
machida lost 3 of his last 5.(weidman romero rockhold. he did beat cb dollaway). we'll have to see what he does his next 2 fights, hopefully in bigger cage as it benefits his style

 

[VINYLONE]

they use it in smaller venue non champion matches. there seems to be no other logic when using smaller cage.
statistaclly smaller cage has more finishes(forgot the numbers)
but it is a disadvantage for certain fighters. definitely for machida. i think this fight would be a differant fight in a regular cage.
also this was a quick turnaround for machida, so that might have factored in it now that he is up there in age.

the luke rockhold fight he looked bad for no apparant reason.

i got excuses for the romoro fight but not for rockhold.
maybe its just his time. maybe he is done ala koscheck and henderson who just keep racking up loses.

hendo always has a punchers chance cus of his H-bomb.
machida lost 3 of his last 5.(weidman romero rockhold. he did beat cb dollaway). we'll have to see what he does his next 2 fights, hopefully in bigger cage as it benefits his style

Interesting. If that's the case regarding the size of the cage, then I think that's ********.

Yeah, it was definitely a quick turn-a-round, especially after the beating he took from Rockhold. I was surprised to see him fighting so soon.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Interesting. If that's the case regarding the size of the cage, then I think that's ********.

Yeah, it was definitely a quick turn-a-round, especially after the beating he took from Rockhold. I was surprised to see him fighting so soon.

it was a submission. with submission most commissions dont give medical suspensions. with knockouts they are more strict as it stands machida is suspended indefinitely. which means it will be like 2-3 months before he can spar again because of the concussion. so he might be back in 4.5-6 months at earliest if he does not feel like taking a vacation.
alsoo 1 thing to note the weight-cut becoming to much for him. come october iv's will be probably banned. after making weight fighters go on 1 or 2 iv bags for fluids and nutrients to offset a taxing weight-cut and be ready to fight.

those might become illegal. or 1 other possibility is that the ufc and the anti doping commission work out a partnership to let anti doping officials do/supervise the re hydration via IV.
so it might be interesting his next fight. some older fighters might have to move up in weight class if "re hydration via iv" is outright banned.

for your reading pelasure an old article from a year ago about the cage sizes:

The moment UFC heavyweight Ben Rothwell set foot inside the cage in Connecticut earlier this month, he knew something was different.

At first, he thought it was all in his head. He suddenly felt more comfortable in the UFC’s octagon, more at home. Perhaps, he told himself, he was finally getting used to his surroundings after nearly five years and six fights with the organization.

“I noticed right when I stepped in,” says Rothwell (34-9 MMA, 4-3 UFC), who scored a first-round TKO victory over former Strikeforce heavyweight champ Alistair Overeem at “UFC Fight Night: Jacare vs. Mousasi” that night. “I didn’t know it was that (the cage) was smaller. They told me after.”

At first it sounds like a minor difference. The UFC’s full-sized cage – the one it typically uses for major pay-per-view events in places like MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas – measures 30 feet across. The smaller cage that it reserves for more intimate venues, like at Foxwoods Resort Casino in Ledyard, Conn., is 25 feet in diameter.

But do the math on the total square footage and you have one cage that’s 44 percent larger and 20 percent wider, says statistician Reed Kuhn, who has analyzed the effect of cage size for his blog, Fightnomics.com, and found that fights in the smaller cage are notably more likely to end in a knockout or submission, in part because fighters throw around 20 percent more strikes than in the larger cage.

“It’s not anything magical, just that there’s more engagement in a smaller cage ,” says Kuhn, who also devoted a chapter his “Fightnomics” book to the topic of cage size. “It’s silly to think there wouldn’t be an effect. Imagine shrinking a baseball field by 44 percent. You’re going to have way more home runs. Imagine doing the same thing to a hockey rink. It’s going to change how the game is played.”

Whether that change is for the better depends on who you ask. UFC heavyweight Matt Mitrione, who also scored a knockout win at the same event, made it clear at the post-fight news conference that he is not a fan of the smaller work space, especially for heavyweight bouts.

“I don’t like fighting in that small cage,” Mitrione (8-3 MMA, 8-3 UFC) told reporters. “I’d rather fight in a field than a phone booth. We’re big bodies. You take two steps and you’re fighting in the middle of it. For me, mobility’s a big part of my game – that, and being athletic. For me, it feels like every time I make a movement I’m a foot and a half from one side of the cage or the other, so it’s more difficult.”

For other fighters, like UFC middleweight Tim Kennedy (18-4 MMA, 3-0 UFC), the small cage is actually preferable, he says. After knocking out Rafael Natal in November 2013 at a UFC “Fight for the Troops” event that utilized the smaller cage due to space restrictions in the venue at Fort Campbell, Ky., Kennedy says he lobbied the UFC to use the small cage again for his next fight against Michael Bisping this past April.

“That didn’t happen, and I ended up having to chase him around a lot more,” says Kennedy, who would go on to win that fight by unanimous decision. “I feel like the smaller the cage, the more finishes you usually see. And fights that end in a finish, I usually win those – so that’s good for me.”

The problem, according to several fighters, is that the UFC doesn’t always tell them beforehand which cage it will use. According to Mitrione, his first questions when the UFC offers him a fight now are all about venue and cage size.

“That last few times I thought it was going to be a full-sized cage and I come in to find out it’s not, it’s a 25-footer,” Mitrione said in Connecticut. “It makes a difference for me, mentality-wise.”

According to UFC officials, the organization does not “proactively” reach out to fighters to tell them which cage they’ll be fighting in. In past years the 25-foot octagon might have only come out for “The Ultimate Fighter” finale events, such as the ones that took place in the cramped Pearl at The Palms venue in Las Vegas. But as the UFC’s expanded schedule takes it to new venues of all sizes both in the United States and abroad, fighters say it’s often difficult to be sure which cage they’ll see until they show up for the event.

Then again, according to lightweight Michael Chiesa (11-2 MMA, 4-2 UFC), who says his cage size preference depends on his game plan, “You should automatically have an idea what size the cage is by what venue you’re fighting at. … If you think you’ll be in a big cage fighting at a small venue, you should have more common sense.”

 

[VINYLONE]

it was a submission. with submission most commissions dont give medical suspensions. with knockouts they are more strict as it stands machida is suspended indefinitely. which means it will be like 2-3 months before he can spar again because of the concussion. so he might be back in 4.5-6 months at earliest if he does not feel like taking a vacation.
alsoo 1 thing to note the weight-cut becoming to much for him. come october iv's will be probably banned. after making weight fighters go on 1 or 2 iv bags for fluids and nutrients to offset a taxing weight-cut and be ready to fight.

those might become illegal. or 1 other possibility is that the ufc and the anti doping commission work out a partnership to let anti doping officials do/supervise the re hydration via IV.
so it might be interesting his next fight. some older fighters might have to move up in weight class if "re hydration via iv" is outright banned.

for your reading pelasure an old article from a year ago about the cage sizes:

Great info on the weight cutting. Also, thanks for the article!

 

[DutchJazzer]

Great info on the weight cutting. Also, thanks for the article!

also iv is banned because lance armstrong used it to do his doping. dont know the specifics of how it works and such.


if u wanna read more about it i just googled article remember reading about it last week:

Mixed martial arts (MMA) fighters cut lots of weight, that's just part of the business.

For better or worse.

But under the new policies of the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), who will serve as the independent administrator for the UFC's new drug-testing policy, fighters will no longer be ably to rehydrate using intravenous (IV) methods.

Simply put, the days of the needle and plastic bag may soon be over.
In unrelated news, stock in Pedialyte is up 15 percent.

The new policy didn't sit too well with athletes currently competing under the ZUFFA banner, including top bantamweight prospect Anthony Birchak, who slammed the change in procedure as a "****ty" decision that will send fighters to alternate divisions.

His words (via Bloody Elbow):

"I think it's ****ing dumb. A lot of fighters are going to get knocked out. Guys cutting a lot of weight will have to move back up. I just saw Ian Entwistle get pulled out. I know that guy is huge and probably used three or four bags to get back up in weight. I had a very good friend of mine got knocked out because he didn't rehydrate properly. They're going to expect us to go out there and fight and not be fully hydrated to the max. We run a big chance of getting knocked out. It's ****ing ****ty."

The policy is to prohibit blood doping, as opposed to extreme weight cuts.

"There are certain methods, like an IV infusion or gene doping or autologous or homologous blood transfusion, where you take someone else's blood in advance of a bout," USADA CEO Travis Tygart told MMA Hour. "It gives you oxygen carrying capacity and recovery capacity and all sorts of benefits. It would be, by the way, game changing benefits."

The new policy takes effect July 1 (full details here).

Thoughts?

correction since that article came out ufc postponed the new policy to october 1st if im not mistaken to lazy to google(could also be 31st or something).

me myself am not a fan of weight cutting. when i did judo competition i used to do it at my natural weight. sometimes having to lose a kg or 2 because of some overeating or such. but a kg or 2 in 24 hours is for me just 20-45 minutes of sweating, looking back now might be why i haven't preformed as well seeing as people in my weigth class where cutting 10-15kgs down to 69. so i was 69-72kgs while dudes where 79+kgs.

my little brother is a big fan of weight cutting losing about 8kg fighting in 63kg weightclass!

weight cutting is a major part of the combatsport.
i rather it be gone having fighters fight at natural weight. weidman, jones would be at heavyweight with Cain who doesn't cut weight Hendricks would be light heavyweight.
so i'm hoping no iv!

look at a pic

weidman who fights in the smallest weightclass of those 3 is the biggest . ofcourse this is just a pic and weight matters

 

[TroutBum]

Brown Pride... LOL

 

[fishonjazz]

So jose aldo is out against conner?

That sucks. Why?

 

[seattlejazzfan]

So jose aldo is out against conner?

That sucks. Why?

Broken rib.

 

[fishonjazz]

Broken rib.

That's too bad.
Would have been a great fight

 

[seattlejazzfan]

That's too bad.
Would have been a great fight

No doubt.

 

[Fabtrey]

That Velasquez/ Werdum fight was real a let down. What the **** was wrong with Velasquez? He's usually so prepared but he looked horrible.

Also, Yair Rodriguez was fantastic! What say you guys?

Also, def excited for 189.

cain was always somewhat overrated. and werdum has been just severely underrated his entire career.

 

[Fabtrey]

aldo pisses me off. dude just backs out mysteriously. 5 injuries so far in his career. many undisclosed one too. i'm really getting tired of his act. connor gonna lose to mendes and we won't see this great match up for a long time.

i'm really tired of ufc injuries. just such a turn off. they need to seriously change the way fighters practice. full pads is a must for all fighters 6 weeks before the fight. and if gets injured fine their ***

 

[FabioJazz]

Werdum improved a lot during his career.

He was only BJJ at the beginning..

 

[DutchJazzer]

So jose aldo is out against conner?

That sucks. Why?

ever had a bruised/fractured rib?

 

[DutchJazzer]

aldo pisses me off. dude just backs out mysteriously. 5 injuries so far in his career. many undisclosed one too. i'm really getting tired of his act. connor gonna lose to mendes and we won't see this great match up for a long time.

i'm really tired of ufc injuries. just such a turn off. they need to seriously change the way fighters practice. full pads is a must for all fighters 6 weeks before the fight. and if gets injured fine their ***

good that pos connor doesnt deserve the title shot. he beat nobody currently in the top 10

 

[FabioJazz]

Dana wants her boy with the belt. Weidman was injured several times and there was no interim fight.

Aldo would kill him. Dana is ridiculous

 

[fishonjazz]

ever had a bruised/fractured rib?

Yes. I broke a rib when I was a kid.
It was the worst thing ever