More Muslim violence in Europe

[Gameface]

And to further think about religion of peace... how you can call it that way when numerous countries consider abandonment of Islam a crime worth death penalty?
Here is how apostasy from Islam is punished in few countries. How we can look at it and say it is ok?

Iran – illegal (death penalty)
Egypt – illegal (3 years' imprisonment)
Pakistan – illegal (death penalty[9] since 2007)
United Arab Emirates – illegal (3 years' imprisonment, flogging)
Somalia – illegal (death penalty)
Afghanistan – illegal (death penalty, although the U.S. and other coalition members have put pressure that has prevented recent executions)
Saudi Arabia – illegal (death penalty, although there have been no recently reported executions)
Sudan – illegal (death penalty, although there have only been recent reports of torture, and not of execution)
Qatar – illegal (death penalty)
Yemen – illegal (death penalty)
Malaysia – illegal in five of 13 states (fine, imprisonment, and flogging)
Mauritania – illegal (death penalty if still apostate after 3 days)
Morocco – illegal to proselytise conversion (15 years' imprisonment)
Jordan – possibly illegal (fine, jail, child custody loss, marriage annulment) although officials claim otherwise, convictions are recorded for apostasy
Oman – legal in criminal code, but according to the family code, a father can lose custody of his child

Well the very moral fabric of their society depends on adherence to the absolute authority of their almighty God. Rejection of the authority of a higher power means that the person has no morals and is therefore a live wire waiting to destroy their very way of life.

Right, PearlWatson?

 

[MVP]

Interesting article:

https://frontpagemag.com/2013/mordechai-kedar/why-do-they-slaughter-their-victims/

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Interesting article:

https://frontpagemag.com/2013/mordechai-kedar/why-do-they-slaughter-their-victims/

Another opinion piece with no statistics to back it up.

 

[MVP]

Another opinion piece with no statistics to back it up.

you bitching about Pol Pot killing 2 mil when Islam since it's creation is responsible for killing 270mil people. And yet you converted to follow and support it... are you sure you not following in his steps?


UK jihad murderer given weeks of Islamic training by Woolwich mosque, he returned more "radicalized" than ever

His mother took him there to keep him from being "radicalized," and he returned more "radical" than ever. Is this mosque being investigated? If not, why not? "Woolwich attack: Michael Adebowale's mother 'tried to prevent radicalisation,'" by Josie Ensor, Edward

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/05/...s-of-islamic-training-by-woolwich-mosque.html

 

[green]

I find it funny that the same people who say don't judge Islam by the acts of some are the same people advocating for gun control.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

you bitching about Pol Pot killing 2 mil when Islam since it's creation is responsible for killing 270mil people. And yet you converted to follow and support it... are you sure you not following in his steps?


UK jihad murderer given weeks of Islamic training by Woolwich mosque, he returned more "radicalized" than ever

His mother took him there to keep him from being "radicalized," and he returned more "radical" than ever. Is this mosque being investigated? If not, why not? "Woolwich attack: Michael Adebowale's mother 'tried to prevent radicalisation,'" by Josie Ensor, Edward

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/05/...s-of-islamic-training-by-woolwich-mosque.html

Blatant Cherry picking. In 2004 the FBI sent an agent in a California Mosque pretending to be a radical Muslim. He got reported by people from the mosque shortly. I posted the link before on this website I can go searching for it again if you please.

270 million people in 1400 years compared to the 100 million in the last century from atheists/ antireligion.

 

[underKANTER]

Some hate you because of your religion, skin color, origin, your point of view, your character and so on.

Do I care about this kind of haters? No. I learned that there are so many idiots around that I'd rather listen to my fart than to those guys opening their mouth and talking crap.

I'd rather spend time with people that have a lot in common with me than people I can't stand. Simple as that. Learning to ignore stupid people makes life much easier. Stay away from people that can't add anything positive to your life. Stop spending time to discuss with people that are blind and stubborn. No need to lose energy for guys that don't deserve it.

 

[MVP]

270 million people in 1400 years compared to the 100 million in the last century from atheists/ antireligion.

Your made up numbers. Stop it - you lost that discussion long ago.

 

[MVP]

More typical muslim "honor" nonsense. This time father kills son because he was gay. And that's in Turkey... country which supposed to be more western and less brainwashed by radical islamists.

https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/f...-case.aspx?PageID=238&NID=47579&NewsCatID=341

 

[The Black Swordsman]

More typical muslim "honor" nonsense. This time father kills son because he was gay. And that's in Turkey... country which supposed to be more western and less brainwashed by radical islamists.

https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/f...-case.aspx?PageID=238&NID=47579&NewsCatID=341

Lol I made up that Mao killed 65 million or Stalin killed 20 million? Pol Pot 2 million (20% of his country's population within 2-3 years). I didn't lose a discussion with you, unless you consider fallacies and name calling as strong argument you had no evidence to back your claims once again.

If only closed minds came with closed mouths.

 

[carolinajazz]

Yes, as is every church on the planet.

The historian Josephus mentioned a unique kind of government when he wrote: “Some peoples have entrusted the supreme political power to monarchies, others to oligarchies, yet others to the masses. Our lawgiver [Moses], however, was attracted by none of these forms of polity, but gave to his constitution the form of what—if a forced expression be permitted—may be termed a ‘theocracy,’ placing all sovereignty and authority in the hands of God.” (Against Apion,*II, 164-5) According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary, theocracy means “a form of government by God.” The word does not appear in the Bible, but it well describes the government of ancient Israel.

Ever since Josephus coined the word, many societies have been described as theocracies. Some of them appeared intolerant, fanatic, and cruelly oppressive. Were they true theocracies? Not in the sense that Josephus used the word. The problem is that the meaning of “theocracy” has been extended. The World Book Encyclopedia defines it as “a form of government in which the state is ruled by a priest or priests, and in which members of the priesthood have authority in civil and religious matters.” True theocracy, however, is not government by priests. It really is God rule, government by the Creator of the universe.

 

[Gameface]

Show me this creator of which you speak. Or will I only see men telling me what to believe?

 

[MVP]

Lol I made up that Mao killed 65 million or Stalin killed 20 million? Pol Pot 2 million (20% of his country's population within 2-3 years). I didn't lose a discussion with you, unless you consider fallacies and name calling as strong argument you had no evidence to back your claims once again.

Dude, you always confusing killings due to political reasons and religion. Did Mao killed or executed some because he wanted them to convert to atheism? No, he wanted power and his communist ideas of Republic of China to succeed. He killed atheists same way if they were against his way. Did Stalin killed because of religion? No, he did genocide, based on nationality mostly. He could care less if you believe in god or not if you are not for Soviet Union propaganda. Huge difference from "peaceful" islam killing christians in North Africa and Middle east or hindus in India in the name of "almighty Allah".
Unless you accept and learn history and admit that islam and its all history is based on bloody conquer and killings of kafirs you are not going anywhere.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Dude, you always confusing killings due to political reasons and religion. Did Mao killed or executed some because he wanted them to convert to atheism? No, he wanted power and his communist ideas of Republic of China to succeed. He killed atheists same way if they were against his way. Did Stalin killed because of religion? No, he did genocide, based on nationality mostly. He could care less if you believe in god or not if you are not for Soviet Union propaganda. Huge difference from "peaceful" islam killing christians in North Africa and Middle east or hindus in India in the name of "almighty Allah".
Unless you accept and learn history and admit that islam and its all history is based on bloody conquer and killings of kafirs you are not going anywhere.

Israel-Palestine conflict isn't one side saying "Moses was the greater prophet" and the other side saying "No Muhammad is the greater prophet" and then killing each other. It is over land. Ireland with the Catholics and protestants it is over who controls the country. India and Pakistan? Over Kashmir. Even Osama Bin Laden blew up the twin towers because he felt America was invading Arabs. Even if the whole world was one religion or irreligion there would be people fighting over the same things. Whenever an atheist kills you write it up for "oh it is other political reasons not atheism" whenever Muslims kills you automatically blame Islam and not political reasons.

 

[MVP]

whenever Muslims kills you automatically blame Islam and not political reasons.

Because Islam has no political reasons. It is Islam or nothing. Kafirs should convert or be killed.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Because Islam has no political reasons. It is Islam or nothing. Kafirs should convert or be killed.

Qur'an says to kill Kafirs only in self defense, it specifically states not to kill peaceful unbelievers. It says not only to give peace back to peaceful unbelievers but to protect them as well.

Gj quoting only one sentence of my response and not the rest of it that dismantles your whole argument btw.

 

[fishonjazz]

And to further think about religion of peace... how you can call it that way when numerous countries consider abandonment of Islam a crime worth death penalty?
Here is how apostasy from Islam is punished in few countries. How we can look at it and say it is ok?

Iran – illegal (death penalty)
Egypt – illegal (3 years' imprisonment)
Pakistan – illegal (death penalty[9] since 2007)
United Arab Emirates – illegal (3 years' imprisonment, flogging)
Somalia – illegal (death penalty)
Afghanistan – illegal (death penalty, although the U.S. and other coalition members have put pressure that has prevented recent executions)
Saudi Arabia – illegal (death penalty, although there have been no recently reported executions)
Sudan – illegal (death penalty, although there have only been recent reports of torture, and not of execution)
Qatar – illegal (death penalty)
Yemen – illegal (death penalty)
Malaysia – illegal in five of 13 states (fine, imprisonment, and flogging)
Mauritania – illegal (death penalty if still apostate after 3 days)
Morocco – illegal to proselytise conversion (15 years' imprisonment)
Jordan – possibly illegal (fine, jail, child custody loss, marriage annulment) although officials claim otherwise, convictions are recorded for apostasy
Oman – legal in criminal code, but according to the family code, a father can lose custody of his child

I found this to be quite interesting/disturbing.

I also found it interesting that underkanter and blackswordsman didn't comment on/defend it.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

I found this to be quite interesting/disturbing.

I also found it interesting that underkanter and blackswordsman didn't comment on/defend it.

I admit this is common throughout the Muslim world. However, there is nothing in the Qur'an that says you should kill/punish people who leave Islam. Listen people do not like hearing that you are a different religion than them. For example usually when someone asks what religion you are they don't really care what you believe in, they just want to hear validation for their own beliefs. This insecurity is also present in the Muslim world. You will notice that the sentiment of punishment is more prevelant in poorer Muslim countries. There aren't millions/thousands/hundreds of people dieing to it every year like there is under atheist regimes so it is a very minor point I will concede to.

 

[Gameface]

I admit this is common throughout the Muslim world. However, there is nothing in the Qur'an that says you should kill/punish people who leave Islam. Listen people do not like hearing that you are a different religion than them. For example usually when someone asks what religion you are they don't really care what you believe in, they just want to hear validation for their own beliefs. This insecurity is also present in the Muslim world. You will notice that the sentiment of punishment is more prevelant in poorer Muslim countries. There aren't millions/thousands/hundreds of people dieing to it every year like there is under atheist regimes so it is a very minor point I will concede to.

Atheist regimes are killing people specifically for leaving Atheism? Link?

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Atheist regimes are killing people specifically for leaving Atheism? Link?

Nice straw man I never said atheists are killing people for leaving atheism. So you resort to straw manning me... Atheism are killing people because atheists don't value human life. Many atheists do value human life but let me guess those atheists that don't value aren't "true atheists." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman. If I were to say "those Muslims that kill others aren't true Muslims" you will throw the no true scotsman fallacy at me but when it is done on your side you most likely will irrationally give them a free pass.